Short 4-6 weekers.......

[BlackStang]

First I will start on my cycle history. I have done a anavar/primo cycle last year(40mg/ed var, 450mg/w primo) and tryed a superdrol only which ended early, 2 1/2 weeks due to no results.

I was planning on trying a tbol only for 4-6weeks at 40mg/ed but I think I want to add some test in there. I was going to add in Prop at something around 100mg/eod, would be first test cycle. I was thinking something like this.

1-4 prop 100mg/eod
1-4 tbol 40+mg/ed
Nolva only pct follows.

Only thing about prop is the eod injections, i've only done glutes and was wondering if glute only is ok or what other options I have, keep in mind i want to keep the pain as little as possible due to my job. I work in shipping and do lots of heavy lifting throughout the day so I need movement in my arms. Have heard prop can cause some good pain in shoulders. Could sust be a replacement? maybe if I ran it for 6 weeks?




Any suggestions would be great!




Thanks

[*Narkissos*]

Prop is doable... To avoid torso shots you can rotate between the gluteus maximum (upper outer quadrant) and the gluteus medius. That gives you 4 injection spots to choose from. 4 spots, in the EOD rotation, means each spot'll be hit once every 9 days. That's a good rotation.

[speedtraining]

personally 4 is to short for me 6 you would be a ideal short cycle.

[Anabolios]

how did the var/primo cycle go im just curious?

[marcus300]

When considering doing a short cycle there are afew things what are a must when planning such a cycle, certain compounds must be used depending which level you are at and most important thing is on any short cycle is the priming of the body beforehand, if this is done correctly the gains are very dramtic and are straight from the start of the cycle, the prime coupled with fast acting compounds will produce good solid gains in muscle tissue.

[BlackStang]

Anabolios - It actually went well. I had to stop the var short though, roughly 6 weeks. Started getting sick after taking the pills. Managed to put on 10-15lb solid mass as well as cut down with the primo. If I would do again I would bump up the primo forsure and maybe run it longer then 10weeks.

marcus300 - How would you prime the body beforehand correctly? I know I notice when I take time off from lifting (2-4weeks) and jump back into it within the first 2-3weeks I notice the most gains. Right now i've been off for 3 weeks total, had a nasty flu.

Also how about the diet? Right now i'm consuming roughly 3000cals but once on cycle I hope to be at 4000+.

Would this be considerd priming?




Thanks guys

[marcus300]

Anabolios - It actually went well. I had to stop the var short though, roughly 6 weeks. Started getting sick after taking the pills. Managed to put on 10-15lb solid mass as well as cut down with the primo. If I would do again I would bump up the primo forsure and maybe run it longer then 10weeks.

marcus300 - How would you prime the body beforehand correctly? I know I notice when I take time off from lifting (2-4weeks) and jump back into it within the first 2-3weeks I notice the most gains. Right now i've been off for 3 weeks total, had a nasty flu.

Also how about the diet? Right now i'm consuming roughly 3000cals but once on cycle I hope to be at 4000+.

Would this be considerd priming?




Thanks guys

The Prime=
You diet down and lose fat, just like a comp diet or i prefer to cycle my carbs 3 low 1 high this will create a very anabolic emviroment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full in the muscle the result is more deposited into the muscle when you start the cycle and increase the food,this enviroment builds muscle tissue very quickley, if this is done correcty and timed right when you start the cycle, growth is amazing, i feel priming is a must when considering a short cycle of any kind.

i prefer cycling my carbs 3 days low(40% less than normal) 1 day high (15% higher than normal), i feel this is'nt to harsh on your muscle tissue and the 1 high carb day offsets any potential metobolic slowdown, which is extremely usefull in laying down metobolic boosting muscle or at least saving it. the high carb/low carb rotational diet upgrades the receptors cites on muscle tissue for insulin, this changes the bodys ability to store carbs as glycogen rather than fat.

[BlackStang]

oh ok sounds good. I will definatly try to do this the best I can. Also if I am going for mass should I use tbol with prop or switch up the tbol with some dbol? I heard of lots of water retentions but my buddy just finished a 7 weeker prop/dbol/deca and has keep all but 3lb after 3 months off.



Any suggestions?





thanks

[marcus300]

oh ok sounds good. I will definatly try to do this the best I can. Also if I am going for mass should I use tbol with prop or switch up the tbol with some dbol? I heard of lots of water retentions but my buddy just finished a 7 weeker prop/dbol/deca and has keep all but 3lb after 3 months off.



Any suggestions?





thanks

If you have kept only 3lb from your last cycle something is wrong in the process of building muscle, If you havent built that much muscle id look at your diet first then maybe your pct and so on, how much did you put on durring the cycle?.

Like ive said in my previous post i dont like tbol so it would be hard for me to advice you to put it in, alot of BB's i know have had problems with it, not many rate it as a good addition but everyone is different.

Look kore into the priming of the body before a cycle this will help with your goals.

Marcus

[BlackStang]

Opps sorry I said that wrong. My buddy has kept everything but 3lb off his previous cycle.

[marcus300]

Opps sorry I said that wrong. My buddy has kept everything but 3lb off his previous cycle.

no problem

[BlackStang]

Well i'll definatly look more into the priming before the cycle. I guess i'll have to make the decision on the tbol or dbol. If i'm going for mass/size i'm leaning more towards the dbol.


Thanks for all the help

[Anabolios]

Anabolios - It actually went well. I had to stop the var short though, roughly 6 weeks. Started getting sick after taking the pills. Managed to put on 10-15lb solid mass as well as cut down with the primo. If I would do again I would bump up the primo forsure and maybe run it longer then 10weeks.

Thanks guys

did you brew the primo yourself? if so was it easy? does anyone have any input on homebrew primo?

[SHARKMAX]

Eq 200mg Zencall saw a 10ml bottle of it and was a little sceptical. Trying to get some advice on it. Had a green top experation date on it but no lot number. If i new it was 100% real would probly get it. Also that by itself and a crap load of protein and training hard, would i be looking at any real size? Been training off and on for 10 Years, Just trying to get jacked.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Run tbol at 50-60mgs/day if going for 4 weeks.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Eq 200mg Zencall saw a 10ml bottle of it and was a little sceptical. Trying to get some advice on it. Had a green top experation date on it but no lot number. If i new it was 100% real would probly get it. Also that by itself and a crap load of protein and training hard, would i be looking at any real size? Been training off and on for 10 Years, Just trying to get jacked.

Make your own thread.

[SHARKMAX]

My bad new to this stuff

[BlackStang]

Anabolios - I didn't brew it myself, it was a canadian ugl. Worked pretty good.

Hellmask - I think if i'm going to do it I might as well go the 6 weeks. Would you still recommend tbol over dbol?