gh and sleep apnea?

[justtrnd40]

I have been on gh since Oct. of 05. Went up to 4iu for a couple of weeks but have mainly been at 2iu ed. About a month ago I noticed I wake myself up alot and have to catch my breath. I have never had anything like this happen before and wonder if it has anything to do with the gh and water retention or maybe just coincidince with sinus stuff going on this winter. Just wondering if anybody else has noticed any symptoms like mine. Kind of sucks because I am freaking tired as hell all day from not sleeping well.

[Ufa]

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[simm]

Been on for only 5 days now at 3iu daily! Seems like i'm having panic attacks at nite as i am waking up as very short of breath and can't get that last breath of air to fill my lungs! Face feels hot and abit swollen under eyes/cheeks.. Hands very strange sensitivity/slightly numb i suppose..Waking up in am with bad headache that radiates into neck too! Sinuses feel blocked..So yeah i have the same kind of sleep probs! lol

[Ufa]

Thanks for the geat advice.

[toolman]

I have been on gh since Oct. of 05. Went up to 4iu for a couple of weeks but have mainly been at 2iu ed. About a month ago I noticed I wake myself up alot and have to catch my breath. I have never had anything like this happen before and wonder if it has anything to do with the gh and water retention or maybe just coincidince with sinus stuff going on this winter. Just wondering if anybody else has noticed any symptoms like mine. Kind of sucks because I am freaking tired as hell all day from not sleeping well.

Very good question and I would like to see more responses. I started snoring heavily a month or so after starting gh and I came off it for the first time in a year and the snoring is gone. Snoring is often associated with sleep apnea as well.

[Xtralarg]

Are you guys running anything else besides HGH?

[Slic4788]

More importantly how old are you guys? Sleep apnea gets more common as you get older.

[simm]

Most of the time GH takes getting used to. I started at half your dose. No food or drink except black coffee or water 2 hr before and after. It may spike your blood sugar levels. I do the am shot. Then cardio. I'm most likely older than you and we may have different reactions. Take a couple of days off.
Then start back with half the dose. Whatever you do dont take tylenol for head ache. When you first start 1.5 iu is enough to make things happen.
If you are in your 20's you might not even need GH. Works wonders for older folks.

Thanks for that info..I think that i will take your advice and drop down a tad to 1.5 - 2iu daily...I am 28yrs old..

[justtrnd40]

Been on for only 5 days now at 3iu daily! Seems like i'm having panic attacks at nite as i am waking up as very short of breath and can't get that last breath of air to fill my lungs! Face feels hot and abit swollen under eyes/cheeks.. Hands very strange sensitivity/slightly numb i suppose..Waking up in am with bad headache that radiates into neck too! Sinuses feel blocked..So yeah i have the same kind of sleep probs! lol

Man that is EXACTLY what I feel like. (the short of breath and can't catch your breath) I am going to take a week off of the gh and see what happens.
I am 40 and am also taking 125mg of cyp ew and 25mg of proviron ed.
And also simm I have the carpal tunnel symptoms going on also. Not as bad now but when I tried to go up to 4iu it got pretty bad. If I were you I would go down to 1iu and stay there for a couple of weeks and go up a 1/2iu slowly. It sounds like we are both very sensitive to the gh. I don't know if thats good or bad. Also I am using Jin.

[justtrnd40]

Very good question and I would like to see more responses. I started snoring heavily a month or so after starting gh and I came off it for the first time in a year and the snoring is gone. Snoring is often associated with sleep apnea as well.

Yea, I've noticed snoring alot also. I will wake up in the morning with a sore throat from snoring so much. (And the old lady's on the couch.)

[simm]

Man that is EXACTLY what I feel like. (the short of breath and can't catch your breath) I am going to take a week off of the gh and see what happens.
I am 40 and am also taking 125mg of cyp ew and 25mg of proviron ed.
And also simm I have the carpal tunnel symptoms going on also. Not as bad now but when I tried to go up to 4iu it got pretty bad. If I were you I would go down to 1iu and stay there for a couple of weeks and go up a 1/2iu slowly. It sounds like we are both very sensitive to the gh. I don't know if thats good or bad. Also I am using Jin.

Precisely the same symptoms..I hope we're sensetive in a good way as we will get more bang for $$$$...lol I am only taking the hgh and was going to cycle deca and test at 8 weeks in.. Definately dropping the dose down!

[simm]

I am using the generic brown tops by the way

[toolman]

Thanks for that info..I think that i will take your advice and drop down a tad to 1.5 - 2iu daily...I am 28yrs old..

I wouldnt take much advice from ufa, alot of it is way off and he has been called out by many bros on it. I think he means well but should not be giving advice as most of it is wrong. Just search his posts.

That said, he is correct on backing down your dose, however taking a couple days off does nothing so not sure why he is saying that. Just back down to 1 iu and then up your dose by half an iu every 5 days until you notice sides. Wait for the negative sides to subside then up it again by half an iu.

As for coffe and water and nothing else, again bad advice. gh can make you hypoglycemic so with his suggested diet you could get very tired and even light headed and headachey. I, as do alot of guys, always drink a coke after my gh just for that reason and it does wonders.

[simm]

I wouldnt take much advice from ufa, alot of it is way off and he has been called out by many bros on it. I think he means well but should not be giving advice as most of it is wrong. Just search his posts.

That said, he is correct on backing down your dose, however taking a couple days off does nothing so not sure why he is saying that. Just back down to 1 iu and then up your dose by half an iu every 5 days until you notice sides. Wait for the negative sides to subside then up it again by half an iu.

As for coffe and water and nothing else, again bad advice. gh can make you hypoglycemic so with his suggested diet you could get very tired and even light headed and headachey. I, as do alot of guys, always drink a coke after my gh just for that reason and it does wonders.

Lol...I was wondering whether a chocolate bar would be as good as the coke? Just hate the bloating feeling..lol

[Ufa]

My feelings exactly. Thanks!

[Ufa]

Just Fantastic. Thanks!

[justtrnd40]

You are bonkers! I get my instructions form Doc. The coke thing is stupid any time of day. Your lard ass will regret it. When taking GIN you can take the weekends off (5 on 2 off) When you get sides it's best to lay low. Couple of days to get rid of headache. GH headaches are like bad. Some go the full 7 days. However, until you get used to it; it's your call. Seriously some people here are promoters and get their information form 300 lb lard arses they have never seen. My Doctor is on the stuff. He would not perscribe any thing he would not take himself.

I've gotten some of my worst advice from doctors. Not saying your doc is giving you bad advice but there are alot of so called doctors out there that do more harm than good. I have first hand experience. Why no tylenol? Just curious.

[oldpapapump]

I am 46 and have severe sleep apnea, To the point of having to sleep with a breathing apparatus. When I started my HGH last year my sleep got so good that now I sleep all night long and have no need for the sleep aid device. HGH gets me in a deep sleep.

[toolman]

You are bonkers! I get my instructions form Doc. The coke thing is stupid any time of day. Your lard ass will regret it. When taking GIN you can take the weekends off (5 on 2 off) When you get sides it's best to lay low. Couple of days to get rid of headache. GH headaches are like bad. Some go the full 7 days. However, until you get used to it; it's your call. Seriously some people here are promoters and get their information form 300 lb lard arses they have never seen. My Doctor is on the stuff. He would not perscribe any thing he would not take himself.

Ufa, I wont get into a flame war with you as your ignorant comments show you as either a teenage punk or very immature or ignorant 40+ as you claim to be. I see you have searched my posts and making a bridge comment is all you came up with?!?

You will eventually be banned...not that it matters as every thread I have seen you in is you giving moranic advice and getting into a flame with others. You have been here a month and all I see are people correcting you and laughing at your advice and childish insults. It wouldn't be half as funny though if you learned how to spell most of the words.

Here's my "lard ass" girly man...let's see yours With the crappy advice you have been offering?

[oldpapapump]

Looking good tool. Even though your avatar looks better.

[toolman]

Looking good tool. Even though your avatar looks better.

Lol...I concur completely...far more impressive set!

[toolman]

I've gotten some of my worst advice from doctors. Not saying your doc is giving you bad advice but there are alot of so called doctors out there that do more harm than good. I have first hand experience. Why no tylenol? Just curious.

Your absolutely right. Only an idiot tries to qualify his advice because "it's from my doc". Most of us know that half of all docs graduated in the bottom half of their med class. One aside, Ufa was involved in another thread stating that only MD's following a name qualifies one as a true doctor. He did not realise that their are many other degrees and acronyms that are available that also mean the person graduated an actual medical school. He thought an DO was not an acronym for an actual medical school graduate...but I digress on his ignorance...

I can't wait to hear his geniuous biochemical explanation of the dangers of tylenol. When any idiot knows that a headache induced by hypoglycemia can be cured with a suger...though he says to lay and suffer with it for a few days.

[Ufa]

It's all good. Thanks for asking?

[toolman]

To give you a taste of his ignorance.....

Here Ufa recommends deca as a sexual enhancer...any idiot knows deca is good for one thing...deca dick. http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=231716

Here is one of his threads offering incorrect advice and gettting into another flame match... http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=228135

Here he expresses his lack of knowledge of what HCG is or its history.... http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=227984

Here he explains that B12 is a fad drug....not realizing that it is a very important vitamin....http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=227657


Here he is saying Swale...a very knowledgable and respected member...doesn't know anything...while Ufa mispells every medical term he has attempted to type.... http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?t=229702



I grow tired of reading his BS...you get the picture. He offers his incorrect advice and is questioned or called out on everything. My point is not to shame him, he is a loser that has come and will go on here. I just want to make sure those of you that are earnestly seeking help do not mistake him for anyone that knows anything. His posts express his ignorance and the mutliple flame wars he has been involved in, in the 1 month he has been on here, express his stupidity and inability to contribute to this community.

[toolman]

Glad you asked. Tylenoy is bad on the liver. I mean really bad. It can
cause drug induced hep. You are right about some Doctors. That's why
I found a Doctor with the same interests as us. I got three Doctors that
know my situation including a Cardio Man. This is a long term thing. I get
plenty of blood work done and set goals based on blood work. My bad
cholestrol was down to 16. It's all how you feel to. Stay away form negative
energy. Stress can do damage.

Not true, tylenol is safe when used on occasion and without alchohol.

By the way your "bad cholesterol is known as HDL"

If your trying to stay away from negative energy, then why do you start with all the BS name calling and insults when someone points out the errors in your advice. Like I said, I think you mean well, but you have alot to learn and that is through your own reading, not your "docs advice". You will find many out there that are quite educated in HRT and anti aging and few of them are the MD's you so highly place your trust in...Lastly, fire the doc who told you to treat hypolycemia with coffe and water....they are clueless.

[Ufa]

Thanks for the information.

[toolman]

Toolman don't get so serious. Lighten up. The STRESS is not god for you. I was taking Dianabol made in USA before you were born. I guess when I was your age I knew it all. As far a JC, Swale. Anthony Roberts and Swale are
at odds. Swale calls him a quack. They recently had a debate on the radio
Swale was licking his wonds on his forum. You agree with Swale, I prefer to
agree with Anthony Roberts. You can mock my spelling, you do understand my drift. This whole thing is about SWALE who in reality could be you. Who else would be interested?

I agree and disagree with both AR and swale. They both have excellent points to make. I subscribe to no individuals school of thought alone. However to have you call swale out as a know nothing is quite comical....and no I am not swale.

Dont flatter yourself, I don't find you stressful at all. Bothersome like the shoulder acne I have developed on HRT, yes, but not stressful.

I never claimed to be a know it all...I learned long before reaching 41 that the older a man gets, the more he realizes he has to learn. It was you that got his panties in a bunch when you were pointed out being incorrect.

Enough of this exchange as I grow tired. You called me a lard ass and I showed you my picture...let's see yours. If your advice is so great, let's see where you are at...It's put up or shut up time amigo!

[Hard Head]

Tool, that's you at 41 in the pic? you are my hero!

[kaorialfred]

too funny, yup tool man nice pict.

[archeryblackdog]

Hi, new here and with no intentions to lean one way or an other, but i got the same kind of advise from my doc about HGH, No sugars before or after.

By the way the Bad colesterol is LDL, the HDL (High Density LipoProtein) is the good one.

[simm]

Tell you guys wat....Most of you seem more qualified and knowledgeable than any doc!! Nothing but great advice on this forum! Thanks guys..

[toolman]

Tool, that's you at 41 in the pic? you are my hero!

Thanks guys!

[toolman]

By the way the Bad colesterol is LDL, the HDL (High Density LipoProtein) is the good one.

Absolutely right, my typo error.

[anabolicbruce]

Ufa- what happened to your sasquach avatar? I think that picture better described whats behind the kind of idiotic advice you are trying to give people on HRT!

Cycle TRT, ONCE AGAIN WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, you dont cycle TRT moron, how many times are you going to post this nonsense? Men (and women) are on bio-identical TRT for a reason; THEY HAVE SUB-OPTIMAL OR HYPOGONADIC LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE. Studies have proven that sub-optimal test levels can lead to a greater risk of heart disease, onset diabetes, cancers, and various other degenerative diseases. Why cycle it and ride a rollercoaster of hormonal health? I have already backed my statements up in previous posts with medical studies and personal experience ( I have worked in an A4M certified HRT clinic for 2 1/2 years). So i will not delve into this further, NO POINT, since you seem to suffer from neural retardation, and you will continue to hand out your advice and attempt to discredit medical doctors who are experts in HRT.

BTW, i would love for you to spend 1 hour in our board room at the clinic with our facilitating physicians (both M.D.s AND D.O.s), they would tear you a new fuc*ing asshole!!! Oh..and bring your obviously intelligent family doc with you!

YOU NEED TO BE BANNED B4 SOMEONE ACTUALLY FOLLOWS YOUR ADVICE AND HURTS THEMSELVES

[Ufa]

Good people. Thanks for the info.

[toolman]

BRUCE I would love to attend a board room clinic. I get conflicting advice. Sometimes I wonder if it is self serving. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge; most of all your experiences. You seem fustrated at answering tough questions. When you resort to 4 letter words you discredit your
self. Explain things better. I was taking Dianabol before you were born. Smart people should be able to explain things to us regular folk. The best clinic by
far is Oasis. I admit they are smarter than the people I see. You really should do something about your ROID RAGE. Charm school?

I see you keep praising Oasis as the best clinic but I would have to disagree. While I use them, and like the guys, there knowledge is not that extensive...at least not in the guy I am dealing with. I won't mention his name as I don't want to bring any bad attention to him, but we are not talking well educated scientist rather salesman trying to move costly drugs.

Wheres your picture Ufa? You called me lard ass and expresed that you are far more experienced. Let's see what results this knowledge and expreince has grown.

[Ufa]

Guess were on the same page.

[toolman]

If you don't have any serious problems like ED. Why don't you stop and take a fresh look. In one month you will not even have an urge. It is like smoking.!

Actually this is the first year I have gone on HRT. The reason being is that off cycle, my sex drive is low, never feel great, all the typical low test sides. That is even while I have been off a long time. I typically run low dose cycles and multiple blood tests as I am more concerned about my health than strength/size. I got into this game in my early to mid 30's as I was becoming a lard ass and after a couple years of lifting and cardio, I wanted to do more. Also, being in my mid 30's, I was starting to feel the effects of lower test and my blood tests at the time, prior to cycling were in the low 300's.

My first cycles (250 mgs)gave me great strength and gains, while most on here say that is too low. However on all the time I was off, again I started feeling crappy again, tired, reduced sex drive, etc. However I am a firm believer in allowing the body to recover. That said, what good is recovering if my natural production is too low to keep my feeling good.

That said, HRT is a way of life. I do not consider it a cycle, but a medical necesity just as you would take a pill for asthma or whatever. Yes I will run cycles at higher doses from time to time, but not for awhile now as I am monitering my lipid profiles, BP and everything else while I try this. If I find everything else goes out of wack and can't be controlled, I will bail and go back to just cycling. Until then, I am going to give this a shot.

Oasis recommended dosages, etc. are high and not optimal for HRT. Of course they are a business. They get more than a comission. They make a huge mark up on this stuff. However, money is not really a factor for me as much as being legal and not going through my own doctors as I went to college with my GP and do not want him knowing. FOr me, the mark up Oasis makes is deserved for the legality of it all.

[Ufa]

Excellent! Keep up the good work.

[simm]

So glad you guys make up!! lmao