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    whats up everyone im 5'7-5'8 175lbs 13% bf i picked up some serostim 6mg kits (4 to be exact) 18iu per bottle x 7...i was thinking of running it 5on2off and doing 4ius per day...
    i would like to know how to run the hgh meaning times during the day in which to administer it?...
    i was told 1 1/2iu upon wake, then 2 1/2iu after work out...is this a good practice?...
    doesnt hgh leave the body in 5 hours?...
    i also would like to include sustanon 250 for the beginning of this cycle until it concludes...
    should I throw in trenbolone at 100mg eod or use equipose twice a week? (mon 200mg & thurs 200mg)...
    i have anavar also 10mg i was thinking 30 days on at 40mg ed and then off a few then back on utill end of cycle...

    edit: i forgot to mention i also have t3 and clenbuterol on hand...

    sorry for all the questions i just want to get this right...

    --vinny
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    wasup bros this is my boy vin give him some good advice..I see he already perfected the arnold pose lol..

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    Hi VINNYCUZ,

    Start on about 3IU p/day, and increase the dose if you feel the need to. When it comes to dosing, genereally it is the lower doses that bring the fat loss benefits and the higher doses bring more muscle mass. I am unsure of how old you are but keep in mind that the older you are the less GH you will need.

    If you are taking higher doses and have to split them up into more than one shot per day, then your best bet is to take your first shop upon waking up, and your second dose around 2PM. If there is no need to take anymore than 1 shot per day then have your dose as soon as you wake up. Many take GH PWO as well as at bed time too.

    If you are going to take AAS with GH, then start your AAS 3 months into your GH cycle. 12.5mcg ED of T3 is enough when combined with the compounds you will be running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gear
    Hi VINNYCUZ,

    Start on about 3IU p/day, and increase the dose if you feel the need to. When it comes to dosing, genereally it is the lower doses that bring the fat loss benefits and the higher doses bring more muscle mass. I am unsure of how old you are but keep in mind that the older you are the less GH you will need.

    If you are taking higher doses and have to split them up into more than one shot per day, then your best bet is to take your first shop upon waking up, and your second dose around 2PM. If there is no need to take anymore than 1 shot per day then have your dose as soon as you wake up. Many take GH PWO as well as at bed time too.

    If you are going to take AAS with GH, then start your AAS 3 months into your GH cycle. 12.5mcg ED of T3 is enough when combined with the compounds you will be running.

    -Gear
    Thanks Gear appreciate the information. I am 25 now. So I should start the GH today then and then throw in the AAS 3 months in? That will be like July, I was thinking about running 4 months of the HGH with the above compounds. What do you think about that? Anything bad if I do it that way? Also is there a benefit to doing HGH during the day or at night? Last question, how would I know if I need to increase the dosage? Sorry again this is my first time using it although I researched it before but I want to get this started already!

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    Yes, start your GH then AAS about 3 months into that cycle. People have ran GH for 4 months but IMO I would run it for at least 6 months, pref 8 months to a year. HGH is the kind of drug that takes a while for the results to start showing so you want to run it for an extended period of time.

    If you are on a certain dose, and you're not satisfied with the results you are experiencing then increase the dose untill you start feeling changes.

    There is a an excellent thread on HGH doses written by RedBaron, I'll post that for you if I find the thread. It explains benefits of dosing at certain time(s) of the day as well as dosing before bed time too.

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    This is by RedBaron, take a read at it, it will explain differences between AM, PM and bed time dosing.

    The problem we will always have with subjects such as this is that everyone's body runs just a little different. As JohnnyB mentioned, it is pretty difficult to time with precision when the liver is going to secrete IGF-1. That being the case, unless we have some definitive monitoring device to verify the timing of that release, it is going to be even more difficult to time our HGH injections using this as a criteria.
    There is no question that waking up at 3-4 a.m. and giving yourself an injection has a lot of merit. I did this for about 10 months while I was using Genotropin Mini-Quick .8mg HGH. No question about it working well. The next best time to inject is first thing in the morning before you ever get dressed. These two times are going to offer the least chance of disrupting your own HGH cycle .... but as I said, everyone runs a little different so we are really making some general observations.
    Realize that there are about 8-10 pulses of HGH throughout the day ... not ONLY the one at night. The thing is the chemical and hormonal conditions of the body at night are conducive to a major release of HGH. Other times you will see a MAJOR release of HGH is during short duration, HIGH intensity working out. If you have ever experienced a REALLY intense leg day workout the nauseous feeling and tiredness that follows is many times the result of a big endogenous HGH dump into your system. HGH is going to work for you for the most part whenever it is released into you system.
    The reasoning behind a night-time injection would make a LOT of sense for someone with low / no natural HGH. This would most closely mimic the body's own cycle. For those of us with a normal / high natural output, night-time injections are a bit more complex issue. The thought behind the normal early morning - early afternoon injections is because these are times when your body's cortisol levels are high, and HGH can assist in minimizing its potential for catabolism. Also these are times that offer a greater likelihood of not interfering with a great number of natural pulses of endogenous HGH (though certainly no guarantee because of some of the variables discussed here).
    So ..... I think about as close as anyone could come to a consensus would be to say .... If you are the type of person that routinely gets up to go to the bathroom in the early morning hours, that is a PERFECT time to take an HGH injection. If you aren't, next best is going to be the second you wake up. If you are taking two injections per day, there are a few scenarios that would make sense, such as (roughly most desirable to lesser):
    injection one at 2-3 a.m. at bathroom break, number two at 8-9 a.m. upon waking
    injection one at 2-3 a.m. at bathroom break, number two at 1-2 p.m.
    injection one at 7-9 a.m., number two at 1-2 p.m.
    If your natural HGH production is non-existant -
    injection one at bedtime, injection two first thing upon waking
    injection one at bedtime, injection two 1-2 p.m.
    Again, all of these are general observations, there are always exceptions to every case, and there are so many variables (length of cycle, dose, general goals, body's own output, other components of cycle, etc., etc.)
    Cycle (From - Red Barons Post)
    When on HGH alone - 3 IU's first thing in the morning, 3 IU's early afternoon
    When on HGH / LR3 workout days - HGH 3 IU's first thing in the morning LR3 IGF-1 40mcgs immediately after workout
    When on HGH / LR3 non-workout days -LR3 IGF-1 40mcgs first thing in the morning into the muscle group worked the previous day.HGH - 3 IU's taken in the early afternoon.
    -Gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gear
    Yes, start your GH then AAS about 3 months into that cycle. People have ran GH for 4 months but IMO I would run it for at least 6 months, pref 8 months to a year. HGH is the kind of drug that takes a while for the results to start showing so you want to run it for an extended period of time.

    If you are on a certain dose, and you're not satisfied with the results you are experiencing then increase the dose untill you start feeling changes.

    There is a an excellent thread on HGH doses written by RedBaron, I'll post that for you if I find the thread. It explains benefits of dosing at certain time(s) of the day as well as dosing before bed time too.

    -Gear
    Well I am sure I can and will pick up another 2 kits making that 6 months so that should not be an issue for me. I was looking at the schedule and I am thinking the 7-9am and then 1-2pm shots would work out awesome for me!. Also what types of changes should I look out for to know I am hitting the right amount per day?

    Thanks for the RedBaron sniplet I appreciate it and I read it twice =)

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    7am - 9am as well as 1pm - 2pm doses sounds about right to me. As for changes, well the first thing you will notice is the side effects. Many get numbness through their joints, fingers etc, and if it gets really bad to the point where you can't bare it then lower the dose. But I am sure if you start on a low dose already you won't have that problem. In terms of visual gains, they usually arrive anywhere between 8 - 12 weeks into the cycle. By the 3rd month you should def experience some changes visually and feeling wise. As I said, if you have been on GH for a while and have not had any sides really and not much visual results either then I suggest you up the dose by an IU or so. Keep in mind that visual results do take a while to occur so be patient with that, but you will def experience the sides a lot sooner. As much as we don't want the side effects, in a way it's good to know you have sides because at least you know the stuff is doing its job. Starting on 3IU is enough for a first timer and your age. Wether you will need to increase the dose down the track (which I am assuming you would do) is beyond my knowledge.

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    any slin incorperate in that cycle? as this will change hgh dosing times.

    as for the aas, i would run alll three sust/tren/EQ with 12.5/25mcg t3.

    -rodge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gear
    I am unsure of how old you are but keep in mind that the older you are the less GH you will need.
    -Gear
    Why is it that the younger guys need more HGH then the older ones? Ive always read that the younger ones produce more HGH by them self then the older one...assuming that ur natural hgh will be the same then the younger one need less hgh, because of the high hgh production they allready have. Where do i make a mistake in this? grtz

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodge nl.
    any slin incorperate in that cycle? as this will change hgh dosing times.

    as for the aas, i would run alll three sust/tren/EQ with 12.5/25mcg t3.

    -rodge
    scared of the slin, not enough knowledge about it at all don't think I am ready for it yet...lol

    btw...here are some pics I took today at the gym...damn camera phone blows...sorry...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fred9
    Why is it that the younger guys need more HGH then the older ones? Ive always read that the younger ones produce more HGH by them self then the older one...assuming that ur natural hgh will be the same then the younger one need less hgh, because of the high hgh production they allready have. Where do i make a mistake in this? grtz
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    After I use the HGH in the AM and PM times, can I eat right after or is that not recommended?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VINNYCUZ
    After I use the HGH in the AM and PM times, can I eat right after or is that not recommended?
    pro/fat is fine unless you use insulin with it.

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