Prop and Var

[JuicedUp1328]

What kind of gains would one expect to see from this cycle? I'd like to keep the water weight down to a minimum, and would love to have purely lean gains, would this do the trick?

Weeks 1-6: 30mg/ed Var
Weeks 1-6: 100mg/eod Prop

[speedtraining]

What kind of gains would one expect to see from this cycle? I'd like to keep the water weight down to a minimum, and would love to have purely lean gains, would this do the trick?

Weeks 1-6: 30mg/ed Var
Weeks 1-6: 100mg/eod Prop

var is to low imo 60-80 mgs for atleast 6 weeks, you shoot should Prop ED even if you do it at 50mg a day but I would up that to 100mg ED, make sure you have pct and you should be strait.

[New Juice]

agreed...i would double it all up and shoot prop ED...good for blood levels

[MrMent1on]

Gains doesnt come from gear. gains come from your nutrition, workout and sleep. all gear does is assist you in recovering faster.

[Logan13]

What kind of gains would one expect to see from this cycle? I'd like to keep the water weight down to a minimum, and would love to have purely lean gains, would this do the trick?

Weeks 1-6: 30mg/ed Var
Weeks 1-6: 100mg/eod Prop

Why so short of a cycle, is this your first one? Up the Var dosage and use for the 6 weeks, but I would extent the prop to at least 8 weeks. I hope that you have a proper pct on hand as well. Just remember, gear helps, but only with proper diet and exercise will you achieve any growth.

[Kappa Capo]

You dont have to do propionate ED, it has a longer halflife(2-3days) so do it EOD and you wont now the diffrence.

I think Anavar is way OVERRATED, my advice is to skip it and do tbol or winny instead.

[marcus300]

What is your cycle history?

[D7M]

I agree with speedtraining. up the doses on both, and run it a little longer. 8 wks at least.

I love prop/var combo.

cycle experience?

[JuicedUp1328]

I ran a Winny cycle, but had a bad experience, wasn't really the joint pain (which I did have) it was really the muscle tightness, my ham's and quads were so tight I couldn't touch my toes. Which made me walk around feeling as if i was a robot. I'm only running for 4 weeks because I didn't want the prop to start puttin water on me. I'm at about 4.9% bf right now and dont want to lose the hard work to some water. I want strictly lean muscle gains even if I only get 5lbs of quality muscle that'd be much better than 20lbs of bloat.

[MAXIMA5]

Everybody is right. Agreed.

a 6 weeker at that dose would be pointless. You'd just be starting to see results from the prop and then your cycle'd be done.

30 mg of var. You might as well use creatine. Run the var over 60 mg for 8-10 weeks with liver and cholesterol protection for best results. If this wuld be too expensive, maybe research Tbol instead.
Increase the test, and lengthen the duration.

[DwinsChamps]

Run the var over 60 mg for 8-10 weeks with liver and cholesterol protection for best results. If this wuld be too expensive, maybe research Tbol instead.
Increase the test, and lengthen the duration.

Why do you recommend running var for that long? From nearly everything I've read, users report that their var/tbol gains dwindle past 6 weeks.

IMO, run var (or tbol, if you choose) anywhere from 40-60mg/day for 6 weeks.

[MAXIMA5]

40 mg is too low in my opinion for Anavar. I thought it would suffice when I started and now I'm up to 75mg ED.

My Var started working well after 4 weeks, so why cut it short 2 weeks into it's prime. It works well with test so I would run it as long at one can afford to run it. Of course, Niacin and Milt Thistle are needed.