after morning cardio, pro/carb, how long to wait?

[Alpha-Male]

forgive me, it's been awhile, just started back after a loooooong break...i forget, if i go pro/carb after a.m. cardio, i wait, what, like an hour or something? thanks

alpha

[novastepp]

i always waited a little over a half an hour, but i had class not to long after that so it was about all the tim i could wait, but i still saw great fat loss...

[SaintGJR7]

Pro/Fat ~ 20 mins afterwards
Carbs/Pro ~ 30-40 mins afterwards.

[Giants11]

No real rule, doesn't really matter in the Grand Scheme of things. I'd say whenever you can eat go ahead. I personally just like to shower off first and then eat.

[sooners04]

I would wait a little bit, I read that lypolysis (fat burning process) is still going on around 30 min after your done. But like Giantz says, it really isn't going to effect a whole lot in the bit picture.

[Giants11]

Lypolysis is not fat burning. It is the release of FFA's into the bloodstream.

[1buffsob]

Lypolysis is not fat burning. It is the release of FFA's into the bloodstream.

Exactly.

Giants11, did you change your avatar? LOL. It doesn't look how I remember it.

[Giants11]

Just bigger thats all. Perks of being a Sr Mod I guess

[timtim]

i agree with giant here: shower, get dressed and eat.

[chest6]

yeah that and he keeps changing back and forth from "Giantz" and "Giants"

I usually like to shower and then down my eggwhites/oats

[novastepp]

i usually do the TRIPLE "S"... shit, shower, and shave... then eat...

[Giants11]

yeah that and he keeps changing back and forth from "Giantz" and "Giants"

I usually like to shower and then down my eggwhites/oats

Oh just wait till I start fvcking with your shit.

[sooners04]

Lypolysis is not fat burning. It is the release of FFA's into the bloodstream.

So it has nothing to do with the "fat burning process" at all? If not then exactly what role does it play?

[Giants11]

It does. But the statement you made doesn't really make much sense. If you release FFA's into the blood stream you need to be doing something to oxidize them. Or else they will just be re-formed into triglycerides and deposited as fat again. Hence why I always say Lypolysis is over rated. Since am cardio is done with minimal effort, the elevation in metabolism is near nothing. Meaning you will not burn fat even if lypolysis is taking place.

[sooners04]

Okay, I just assumed that cardio started the release of FFA's into the system and as you progressed into the later minutes of cardio you would begin to oxidize those fats released, hence as to why I assumed Lypolysis was part of the fat burning process.

[Giants11]

Lypolysis begins roughly about 20 min into cardio.

[chest6]

It does. But the statement you made doesn't really make much sense. If you release FFA's into the blood stream you need to be doing something to oxidize them. Or else they will just be re-formed into triglycerides and deposited as fat again. Hence why I always say Lypolysis is over rated. Since am cardio is done with minimal effort, the elevation in metabolism is near nothing. Meaning you will not burn fat even if lypolysis is taking place.

thats why I might think about doing sprints. Lypolysis continues for quite some time after you are done...

[brutesinme]

so with low effort cardio in the morning, your first meal can be carb/pro, since lipolysis stops shortly after the cardio an insulin spike isn't a going to cut off what may have continued otherwise...Am i getting this right?

[stocky121]

i normally wait about 40 minute's after cardio just when i can really

[1buffsob]

so with low effort cardio in the morning, your first meal can be carb/pro, since lipolysis stops shortly after the cardio an insulin spike isn't a going to cut off what may have continued otherwise...Am i getting this right?

Continual fat burning is minimal after cardio is over. But all those minimal things add up over time, which is why most will wait 30-40 minutes after cardio before consuming a meal. And it's the ingesting of carbs, not exactly a slin spike per se, that cuts off fat burning.

[305GUY]

Unless you're in ketosis it doesnt really matter. I wait like 20 minutes though.

[brutesinme]

so a raise in blood suger triggers both an insulin response and ceasation of lipolysis?

[1buffsob]

so a raise in blood suger triggers both an insulin response and ceasation of lipolysis?

A raise in blood sugar triggers an insulin response, yes. But the intake of even low GI carbs (oats, yams, brown rice, etc) will blunt lipolysis.

1buffsob

[Giants11]

You do realize that even pro and fat food illicit an insulin response right? Just about everything will cause a insulin response, only pure fat would be the exception.


"There are some instances, however, where a food has a low glycemic value but a high insulin index value. This applies to dairy foods and to some highly palatable energy-dense "indulgence foods." Some foods (such as meat, fish, and eggs) that contain no carbohydrate, just protein and fat (and essentially have a GI value of zero), still stimulate significant rises in blood insulin."

The New Glucose Revolution (New York: Marlowe and Company, 2003, pages 57-58

[steve0]

ialways go pro/carb, but like Giants says whenever u can eat

[1buffsob]

You do realize that even pro and fat food illicit an insulin response right? Just about everything will cause a insulin response, only pure fat would be the exception.


"There are some instances, however, where a food has a low glycemic value but a high insulin index value. This applies to dairy foods and to some highly palatable energy-dense "indulgence foods." Some foods (such as meat, fish, and eggs) that contain no carbohydrate, just protein and fat (and essentially have a GI value of zero), still stimulate significant rises in blood insulin."

The New Glucose Revolution (New York: Marlowe and Company, 2003, pages 57-58

Wow, I knew protein would stimulate a rise in blood insulin, but I never thought it was considered a 'significant' rise. Where do you get these articles anyway Giants11? "The New Glucose Revolution", does Barnes and Noble carry that?

[Giants11]

They sure do. I bought it for like $12 at BN, its agreat read that totally discredits the whole Low Carb craze.

[1buffsob]

Any other good reads you suggest Giants11?

[Alpha-Male]

months ago, i was posting some info from a book called Nutrient Timing...it's been out awhile and again, completely discredits the low carb deal, as well as some other interesting studies on protein intake and insulin spikes (pre/post workout meals, etc)...

otherwise, you can google scholar almost anything nowadays, and take some time to read through the published articles of numerous studies on these issues...just be sure to read through them carefully...

alpha

[1buffsob]

Thanks for the info Alpha-Male. It's always good to keep up on the new nutrition info coming out. And yeah, the low carb deal, along with no carbs late in the day BS, needs to be put to a rest.

[Giants11]

Advanced Nutritiona and the Human Metabolism Vol.4 is by far the best read I've had in a while. Its a Graduate level textbook but its a great read.

Also as Alpha said, Nutrient Timing, I believe is Co-Authored by Tipton who is one of the leading people in the Sports Nutriton field.

[1buffsob]

Very nice, I'll have to check those out. If I run into any confusing info, I'll be sure to hit you up Giants11.

[Alpha-Male]

Also as Alpha said, Nutrient Timing, I believe is Co-Authored by Tipton who is one of the leading people in the Sports Nutriton field.

it sure is, and he definitely is

most of the studies you'll find out there have his name somewhere in the mix...