intro to my 2nd cycle

**monstermasss** · 03-30-2006, 12:41 AM

hey there i started this cycle about 7wks ago and i have never lifted more or felt better:
wk 1-5 60mg dbol
1-15 750mg test e
1-12 750mg deca
1-5 eq (cut out early)
1-12 750mg sust
9-15 50-100mg tren e eod
9-15 50-100mg winny oral and inject (prob stick w/ inject) eod if inject
9-15 30-50mg var
9-15 100-200mcg clen
9-15 100mcg T3

yes i know big cycle but i need serious mass i have been in the game for many years and just topped out no more growth? so this is my big boy and results so far are about 100lbs in bench increase and 200lb deadlift increase so things are good also gained about 17lbs or so and gains are pretty lean so far!!! i will keep you posted and include pics soon!

**C_Bino** · 03-30-2006, 01:30 AM

Why are you running 750mg Test E 1-15 and 750mg Sust 1-12? Tren and Winny need to be injected ED. This cycle is way too big for a second cycle, but you already know that and I cant stop you so I just hope you're ok.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 01:36 AM

haha, you've topped out on gains so you put a pharmacy list on for a 2nd cycle.

I see very little planning or research put into this. Not even sure where to start tear it apart. Best of luck, Deff. have bloodwork done after PCT (your dong that right?)

Oh and go to the diet forum, you'll learn how to break plateaus with "food" alone. More anabolic than all those compounds combined.

**Booz** · 03-30-2006, 01:48 AM

way overkill mate..........................

**C_Bino** · 03-30-2006, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

haha, you've topped out on gains so you put a pharmacy list on for a 2nd cycle.

I see very little planning or research put into this. Not even sure where to start tear it apart. Best of luck, Deff. have bloodwork done after PCT (your dong that right?)

Oh and go to the diet forum, you'll learn how to break plateaus with "food" alone. More anabolic than all those compounds combined.

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SSSHHHIIIITTTT. Now I know why they call you IBdmfkr, I was trying to take it a lil easy but damn. You tha man.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 01:50 AM

lol, naw I just don't "pussy foot" around like you Canadians, Bino!

**mkv213** · 03-30-2006, 01:54 AM

Test E 750mg and Sust 750mg together? Why not just run 1.5 grams of test E? It'd be cheaper than using the Sust. They're both Test and test is test no matter what ester it's bound to whether it's 1 ester or 4 esters. What benefit would the Sust give?

Damn bro, I'd hate to see what your 3 and 4th cycles are going to look like lol. Wow man you don't fvck around. ... and you've only gained 17 lbs in 7 weeks running all of that shit? You should have 10lbs of water in the first few weeks with just the dbol alone. IMO You could gain just as much running only 500mg of test on a 2nd cycle. HRT anyone?

**Booz** · 03-30-2006, 01:55 AM

wtf was your 1st cycle mate.........................no flame just interested to know what you were running for your 1st that you thought you had to jack the sh*t outta your 2nd.................................

**C_Bino** · 03-30-2006, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by booz

wtf was your 1st cycle mate.........................no flame just interested to know what you were running for your 1st that you thought you had to jack the sh*t outta your 2nd.................................

I would like to know also...

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 02:09 AM

Still waiting on stats/age/previous cycle as well?

**juiceboxxx** · 03-30-2006, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

haha, you've topped out on gains so you put a pharmacy list on for a 2nd cycle.

I see very little planning or research put into this. Not even sure where to start tear it apart. Best of luck, Deff. have bloodwork done after PCT (your dong that right?)

Oh and go to the diet forum, you'll learn how to break plateaus with "food" alone. More anabolic than all those compounds combined.

must you do blood work after every cycle?(after pct). Do you also do blood work before a cycle?

**Booz** · 03-30-2006, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by juiceboxxx

must you do blood work after every cycle?(after pct). Do you also do blood work before a cycle?

this is really hijcackin this thread mate but to be on the safe side i would say yes.....i will be having one before during and after my summer course...............

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by juiceboxxx

must you do blood work after every cycle?(after pct). Do you also do blood work before a cycle?

That would be one and the same for me lol... YES ofcourse get BW done after PCT or before you start cycle from a longer rest period. How else will you know what's going on inside your body and if you are prepared/ready to start a cycle, that is healthwise/hormonewise?

i recommend "Male comprehensive, and Total/Free Test" These will have most everything covered, (Liver panel, kidney functions, thyroid level/thyroxine function, Test levels, cholesterol, etc etc etc)

**juiceboxxx** · 03-30-2006, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

That would be one and the same for me lol... YES ofcourse get BW done after PCT or before you start cycle from a longer rest period. How else will you know what's going on inside your body and if you are prepared/ready to start a cycle, that is healthwise/hormonewise?

i recommend "Male comprehensive, and Total/Free Test" These will have most everything covered, (Liver panel, kidney functions, thyroid level/thyroxine function, Test levels, cholesterol, etc etc etc)

How would you know if your ready or not ready by looking at the blood work results? Meaning what can be a negative sign that you shouldn't start a cycle?

**juiceboxxx** · 03-30-2006, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by booz

this is really hijcackin this thread mate but to be on the safe side i would say yes.....i will be having one before during and after my summer course...............

Sorry I know your right...its just I wanted to get it out of the way sense we were on the topic

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 02:31 AM

Pm me bro and I'll fill you in. Tomorrow that is, because I'm bout to hybirnate for the night.

**juiceboxxx** · 03-30-2006, 02:32 AM

and also does it have a specific name ? or just walk in the hospitala nd say you want blook work done?

Once again sorry monstermasss thats my last ? promise

**juiceboxxx** · 03-30-2006, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Pm me bro and I'll fill you in. Tomorrow that is, because I'm bout to hybirnate for the night.

Alright bro thanx.

**Booz** · 03-30-2006, 02:37 AM

this is getting off topic here.......................awaiting a response mr monstermass....................................... ......

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 12:09 PM

lol, damn juicexxx you really know how to shit on a thread

In the future try and keep that to either starting a new thread or PM somebody.

**Booz** · 03-30-2006, 01:28 PM

i think you scared him off IBD............................

**juiceboxxx** · 03-30-2006, 05:07 PM

My bad guys, I went ahead and pmed you. In the future I will make a new thread

. Plus he wasn't even replying lol so I just had to take advantage.

**IBdmfkr** · 03-30-2006, 10:21 PM

btw, no juice for you. Post your diet/training in the other forum.

***G-1000*** · 03-30-2006, 10:28 PM

I like how you posted this after your 7 weeks in. I guess when this cycle is over you will be posting also.

How do i get rid of my gyno?

Why wont my dick work?

How do i clear up all my acne?

Why is my live value's up of the chart?

I will sum it up for you right now. Because you did not do research and should not have been running that much gear.

But hey i wish you best of luck.

**monstermasss** · 03-31-2006, 12:46 AM

sorry guys i posted last night and just now logged on, where to begin which one of you gets it first? ok i will give stats again 33yrs old and i am 217lbs first cycle was:
wk 1-6 50mg dbol ed
1-14 250mg test c ew
1-12 400mg eq ew
4-16 10mg nolva ed
2wks after last inject clomids for 30days
gained 25lbs but didnt do cardio for max mass gains.

and wanted to go big on this one, who are you to knock my cycle anyway, you can say i dont do research all you want and there are reasons for certain things i do remember guys, do you have any idea how much gear pros use this cycle is nothing, i have friends(MONSTERS) that do crazy gear, do i get blood work, yes do i get reg physicals yes so dont worry about that as far as long term i dont know about you guys but i dont plan on being here forever but listen to me while i am here I WILL BE BIG, ITS MY GOAL!!!!

**monstermasss** · 03-31-2006, 12:57 AM

by the way ibdmfkr way to make new members of the board feel welcome. just cause i am new to this board doesnt mean i am new to the game dog i dont want to get banned so i will be nice dont be a know it all dude there is always someone smarter but you already know that.and futhermore ther is no food and diet on earth that will give gains like aas sorry feed that diet crap to some newbie who dont know shit. NO DISRESPECT JUST LETTING YA KNOW WHO I AM!!!!

**monstermasss** · 03-31-2006, 01:05 AM

no need for this in my house....................

**Alcatraz1** · 03-31-2006, 01:08 AM

Best of luck to you, cant wait to see the before and after pics!

**C_Bino** · 03-31-2006, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by monstermasss

oh also gsxxr the reason i posted on my 7th wk is cause i just joined this board! and my dick works fine ask your girlfriend!!! oooooooooocccccccchhhhh!!!! YOU ASKED FOR THAT DOG,LOL!!!

You arent going to last very long here with that attitude. We are here to help, and the honest advice was given to you, the cycle has many flaws in it. And you dont need that many compounds for your second cycle. Yes perhaps pro's use much more than this...I really dont see how that is at all relevant to you doing your second ever cycle

We are just saying you would grow just fine usign far less compounds and stacking them together in a better fashion.
Anyways after all this I still dont even know what your original question was if there at all was one. So what do you want to know?
And BTW, like I originally said it will be in your best interest not to call people out, Ibdmfkr is a genius and can help you greatly, but wont be willing to if you dont show respect.

**Booz** · 03-31-2006, 01:35 AM

why have you virtually upped your dose ten fold for a second cycle........seriously mate thats tottally absurd.....................you would have gained very nicely on 500mg test and 400mg deca......................
and as for memebers bashing your cycle....they are critisizing it mate coz it seriously is way overkill for your second.........................

**ant_8u** · 03-31-2006, 02:54 AM

Still want to hear your reasoning behind Sust & Enanthate

**marcus300** · 03-31-2006, 03:45 AM

Am sure this thread was a joke, 2nd cycle???

**IBdmfkr** · 03-31-2006, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by monstermasss

by the way ibdmfkr way to make new members of the board feel welcome. just cause i am new to this board doesnt mean i am new to the game dog i dont want to get banned so i will be nice dont be a know it all dude there is always someone smarter but you already know that.and futhermore ther is no food and diet on earth that will give gains like aas sorry feed that diet crap to some newbie who dont know shit. NO DISRESPECT JUST LETTING YA KNOW WHO I AM!!!!

You're right buddy, more drugs are the answer to solve everything. No need to argue with you, seems you know it all with the looks of that 2nd cycle.

To the highlighted:
Yes bud it takes food/and a lot of it to make gains whether you're on AAS or not, gains just come easier with anabolics in the system for various reasons. Not sure why you're here or why you posted up that ill-planned cycle if you don't think it needs any critiquing.

hahahaha BINO, I'm a genius? Far from it bud, but appreciate it. My wife calls it obsessed, not sure what to call it really lol

**monstermasss** · 03-31-2006, 04:38 PM

being critical is very welcome and in no way guys do i think i know it all but it sucks when you through accusations at me and what im gonna just sit there and suck it up sorry, i do want to stay on this board and i need advise and i also love to give advice i know as i said my cycle i a big one maybe too big but let me tell ya i have a goal and if its overkill i will know at end of cycle and adjust on next, i do appreciate those who try to help but go about it the right way, dont bash its not productive. thnx all!

**monstermasss** · 03-31-2006, 04:41 PM

sorry also i have been on every diet and there is still no way to get real size as fast as aas, and dont get me wrong i know that 75% or so still is a factor when even on gear.

**monstermasss** · 03-31-2006, 04:51 PM

for sust and test e question i have tried sust in the past and worked great for mass but also love the test e for balance and lasts longer. and obviously have way too much stock to play w/??????? so my bad guys, but everyone bashed is not this the time to reccomend something so if my cycle is shit whats some samples other then plane deca and test????

**trulbfan3** · 03-31-2006, 06:57 PM

yeah your right monster mass your cycle isnt shit compared to pros but then again i wouldnt say your anywhere near a pro only being 217 lbs. well maybe if you are 2 ft tall then youde be swole if not then you are using way more than you need what you need. also if this is your second cycle how have you had expierence w/ sust and test e before???? just a thought.

and heres what an advance blow up big 2nd cycle would look like
TestE 500-750 mgs weeks 1-15
Tren 75 mgs ed for weeks 1-9
EQ 600 mgs a week for 1-14
Anadrol 50-150 mgs ed for weeks 1-4
Winstroll mg ed weeks 10-14
run t3 throughtout
follow up w/ pct and clen

i mean that is overkill but at least it makes since

**IBdmfkr** · 03-31-2006, 10:14 PM

lol, best of luck buddy. You'll need it.

Don't forget Bloodwork after PCT.

**jerryjuice84** · 03-31-2006, 10:21 PM

"Bigger is Better" school of thought... good luck

**monstermasss** · 04-01-2006, 11:58 AM

i tried test e and sust by itself acouple of times in the past wouldnt call it a cycle though! lol, guys i hear all but one thing trulbfan, your only supposed to do clen, T3, ephedra, ect for 6 wks max to not mess up thyroid so watch that one, and for tren i want it to cut so in begining would not be good for what i need and win is not long enough, other wise i like that cycle and will try abombs next cause i didnt get as good results on dbol this time as last, anyone had similar problem???
PS i will take advise and do win and tren ed, win and tren need to be loaded seperate correct?

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