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I've been on this website for the last few weeks and reading as much as I can...I have also read the Anabolic Steroid book, specific sections numerous times...I have decided I'm gonna do a cycle and assess my situation a year from now....I'm 20 years old 5'8" 175 about 2 years of serious training...I'm going on a cycle of Test E 500 mgs per week and Winny 50 mgs everyday, 12 week cycle...Clomid PCT and Triflex throughout to combat winny joint affects...
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1) to young
2) no where near you genetic limit you still have much to do
3) 2 year's aint really that long to train before juicing
sorry bro but it's the truth
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Originally Posted by stocky121
I back what he said.
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i see an easy 40lbs u can put on naturally, within a few years...also if u cycled i would bet u would lose alot just because it doesnt look like u have much of a base..not a flame just sayin u need foundation... but if u do are u lookin to bulk with that cycle?
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dont do it man ...have a look at this link ....i made a big mistake ...should of went natty for 2 or more years.................. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=232020
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This is the only thing that bugs me about this website....I knew what was going to be said before I even put my post up, I didn't put it up because I wanted people to tell me I'm to young or my building potential, I don't mean to sound ignorant, but what I am saying is I put this post up because I have already made the decision, not because I was looking for the answer...So knowing that I put this info up so that I can do this right and so that I can get help and I've got none so far....I know what everyone is saying and I knew you would, but I would like advice on my cycle not an explanation of why I shouldn't that would be helpful, telling me I'm to young isn't going to help me with my cycle, thats what I am seeking input on....
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I will tell you what. when you can buy me a beer i will help you out.
Get the hint. I think it's good that you wont advise. But you just dont what the truth. You only wont to hear what you wont and that is it.
You will have much better gains if you do it natty. It will also help you when your are ready to run some gear. You will have a much better bas.
$BAM-7246~AR-Hall of Famer
Amen brotha. People just do not get it, if you KNEW we were gonna say this and trust us to give you advise then why dont you take it? I may be a lil harsh in what Im about to say but its the honest truth, looking at those pics I cant tell you apart from some of my friends who have never even worked out before. Sorry if it sounds rude but seriously man, you dont have the base it takes to start.
Anyways if you are gonna run the cycle just do Test alone at 500mg EW, no need for winny and especially not for 12 weeks.
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bros i know u kno that hes probably not going to accept and listen to that as an answer. how many people on here started earlier than they really should have? now about the cycle. i hope your not planning on running that winny for the full 12 weeks.
Banned
Too young but if your going to do it (which you probably will) cycle is okay. Take away the whinny.
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I posted this up here for cycle advise not a life lesson, and I don't mean to sound like a douche bag, but I mean I'm asking you to help me with my cycle so if your not going to do that I'd rather you not comment on my thread...thanks...I wasn't sure how long i was going to run the winny for I WOULD KNOW IF I COULD GET SOME HELP...I wonder where I could go to get advice on how to run my cycle properly? Cause it sure aint here right now
Banned
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? people are telling you the truth from personal experience. you are way too young and dont have the base to start from. You wanted advice you got it. Stop crying. Although you said you dont care, dont want life lessons bla bla and will continue to run the cycle so we then told you to take away the whinny you dont need it.
Other then that everything looks good. So what more you want? a hug?
$BAM-7246~AR-Hall of Famer
First of all I gave you advice. Test for 12 weeks at 500mg EW. THAT IS ALL. The only reason I even gave you this advise is because you obviously dont know much about AAS and I dont want to see people screwing themselves up. And we are telling you not to run it because you arent ready if you dont wanna listen to it and would rather be a member at some site that advocates anyone doing these very serious drugs then go somewhere else. No one here is ever going to just help you when you arent ready without first advising you against it. So get used to it pal, if you dont want those types of posts in your thread then be prepared to have a thread with 0 posts in it, because once again you are not ready.
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Ok but I made it clear that I wanted advice on my cycle, thats what I'm seeking...I didnt ask do you think I'm ready or should I cause thats the purpose of my post...And no your not being to harsh by saying you can't tell I lift...How do you know that before I started lifting I wasn't 150 or 160 and have parents with a combined weight of 200 lbs, haha, and a combined height of 10 feet lol, I don't like it when people say that you have more potential just because they aren't 225...I'm not saying i dont have more naturally I'm sure I do, I'm just sayin on this site people are quick to say that with no knowledge of each persons genetic inheritence...
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Well said.
Only The Strong Survive
u dont need winny in your cycle.
Cycle King/AR-Hall of Famer/RETIRED
Bro you are not even done going throw puberty. There for you are not even full developed. But you wont to take a compound that is going to stop you natty test production. What makes you think it will come back after you stop the cycle?
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at my dosage it should be fine
Only The Strong Survive
i think people would be a little less harsh on you if you if you made yourself look a little better in your original post. the age doesnt bother me too much alot of guys are recommended to wait until atleast 21 years old. your 20 not the biggest difference. what gets me is that you said you have been serious in training for about 2 years which is probably a year and a half. you havnt been trianing long enough to learn all the machines in the gym. how do you expect to do well jumping into a cycle without knowledge. do more research and become an expert on what you want to take and do to your body before you jsut throw things into it and make it worse for you.
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bro, i know its hard to swallow all these comments, because you had it in your heart to run it ... but beleive it or not, these guys are looking out for your own best interest for later on in life. Maybe you have a friend who's running a cycle and everything seems to be going great for him; or maybe you've gotten to a point in your life where things just arent the way you want, so you want to turn things around. ....
These guys only mean good, and if you can find it in you to wait a couple more years, you will be better off. You haven't stopped growing yet, let yourself build up to your extend naturally, then supplement those gains down the line.
What if you run a cycle now ... and then stop growing. the next cycle you run will be for more gains, then again bigger gains on top of that. again, i know this isnt what you wanna hear because you've already made your decision and if so, your old enough to stick by it, but sometimes in life, we need to think about tomorrow, before we think about today.
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Ok so any cycle advice on what I have proposed?
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I just dont get it. What more advice you want? everyone told you what to do/not to to do. You have made up your mind yet your still confused about what to run.
They posted a cycle up for you to run as well. Are you looking for posts like run d-bol, deca, and more and more drugs? It seems like thats what your fishing for. Your cycles okay to run(even though you shouldn't) . Test E at 500mgs/week
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what about PCT and anchillary compounds during the cycle? I don't think that gyno is a problem because its only 500 mgs of test per week and at my build and age I'm not as seseptable to it I don't think...Also If I were to run winny what would be the best way? last 6 weeks of my cycle?
Junior Member
If you were going to run winny, I'd recommend 50mg eod for the last five weeks of your cycle. As you get older and more experienced, you could run winny at 100mg, ed for last 4 (or so) weeks. Also, if your gonna run winny, you might get joint paid, I suggest glucosamine, and take your milk thistle.
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So 50 mgs of winny ed would be to much IYO? Also what PCT would be sufficient as well as anchillaries during cycle if I need em at all? I'm gonna take triflex to combat the winny joint pain, it has glucosamine Chondritin and MSM all in one, Milk thistle ofcourse...
Anabolic Member
These people are trying to help you. Listen. Sh!t you look great. Just eat a little more protien.
Junior Member
IMHO, yea, 50 ED would be too much for you. My first cycle I was 23, and did a winny only cycle. It was 50mg EOD and I had fantastic results. For PCT, I would do Clomid, Day 1 300mg; Day 2-11 100mg ed; Day 12-21 50mg ed. Not sure how long after your last injection to start running it. Try the PCT forum.
Are you going to be inj the winny, or drinking it?
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Ok, couple things here...that is about the stupidest comment I've ever heard, where did you put that brilliant sense together? Anyone can get gyno, and it's much better to be prepared then to just say "i'm not susecpitbale because of my age and my doseage"
Second, you look like one of the 5'8 kids that comes into the gym, does 20 minutes of biceps and bench and leave. I can tell you have no legs which is basically the key to cycling (A solid base). But since you know everything and have been researching for 2 weeksgood luck, and reality is you're not ready, all these guys above me know their shit, and I'd listen to them if I were you.
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Ok DB your negativity is not appreciated, and as a matter of fact I love to lift legs, i fu ck em up every wednesday, Love to deadlift, love to do that shit, so don't go telling me that I'm one of those kids, that not cool and uncalled for and ignorant...Also, my comment about my dosage and gyno is legit beacuse side effects and benefits are all dose dependant...Also, generally people who are heavier set are more at risk for gyno so...And gyno is only a major concern if you are doing more than 500 mg per week of test...ok back to the purpose of my thread...SO 50 mgs is too much really? i thought that was pretty standard? What was your experience with winny specifically? like your sides and results and such?? Also I am taking it through pills...
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Maybe your parents have a combined weight of 200 which is more than likely a line of bullshit, because they don't train, eat, etc... Maybe you are an ectormorph, but based on you pics I can already tell you after you blow up from a cycle you are going to shrink bcak down to nothing. MOre than likely you have a chance of permanently damaging your hpta meaning you would have to be on hrt for life. Its your choice. I'm going to laugh at the progesss pics though.
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50mg & even 100mg ED are indeed standard, but more targeted towards an experienced user. since this will be your first cycle, I wouldnt go up that far to that extent. 50 EOD is good enough for this first run, trust me. you will be more than pleased with your results.
My experience was fantastic, even tho many say winny-only cycles are worthless. I ran it with clen and had a killer workout, diet, cardio regimine. My results were great. lost about 25lbs, and cut up. the only sides I had were joint paint, but that was covered w/ the glucosamine. i had no other sides.
again, as in my first reply to this thread, i think you've got the benefit of age on your side, to build yourself naturally. should you decide to run the cycle anyway, at least you got some info to work with smartly.
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Dude you have no common sense. You could take 250mg of test per week and get gyno. THe body normally produces an avg of 70mg per week. You LOVE to Deadlift LMFAO. IF YOU DID, you erector spinae would have been a LOT bigger as well as your traps and all of your back for that matter. People who don't post up leg shots, usually have never trained their legs in their lives.
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Ok neo once again I'm not going to sit here and defend my workout regime which is very taxing on my body and hits all my muslce groups...So don't stray from what I'm trying to get after...Ok wel the winny situation sounds good, I'm just curious what the difference would be of running hte 50 everyday opposed to 50 everyother day, differences in results I mean, as well as sides I suppose...at what point in my cycle would the winny be opitimal to run? Last 6 weeks I was thinking, right around the time my Enanthate is really going to work?
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srry m8. hormone fluctuations give gyno. Use test at 500 (and that is still a lot) and you will have hormone fluctuations, and you CAN get Gyno.
Even ppl stopping with the juice, can develop gyno during PCT.
If you want to juice, and want to be "safe" use HGH. That is the only "steroid" you can take at your age.
You also could use some oxandrolone, but that is a "cutter" and won't give you mass gains.
Serious, OK your mind is set to juice, so go for it, but use HGH
Senior Member
Why HGH? That is an interesting comment, never heard that suggestion before?
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As HHG does not shut down your natural test. (Ok it does some, but not to the extend that Test-e does) And you still can grow good/safest on HGH.
Only issue might be price.
on the good side, there is no costs for gyno removal, no costs for getting your natural test levels back etc. It's the safest one arround that still works OK.
But like stated, it will cost you some money
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yeah but define some money and how much is some money compared to how much PCT costs as well as Triflex for Winny sides, etc etc...Also, isn't HGH unhealthy in some sense? In terms of enlargment of organs and such, that recommendation isn't very typical and not highly recommended for first time users so im intrigued?
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Well, if you look what Test-e will do you your body, giving you enlarged liver, digestion problems, possible hard attack, if you have some cancer in you it can grow a lot faster (OK some steroids reduce cancer)
Your nuts will shrink, your sperm quality will be down, hair loss, etc etc etc.
HGH is the most friendly out there. And yes, mostly due it's price, only the "pro's" buy it. It also keeps you (more) "clean" for steroid tests.
And sure, your bones can start to grow, your organs enlarge etc.
But that only happends after a "long" time.
If you run a 12 weeker, you be fine. (exept from your bank account)
The reason why it's not recomended for any user, is the price, and number of shots you need to take daily. (but there are some good tools like needle-less injections e.g., but again, costy)
Last edited by fhorst; 04-03-2006 at 12:34 AM.
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If you can find steroids, you can find HGH.
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haha, ok we'll I will have to look into that some more, your the first one to every suggest that...Conversley one cycle of Enanthate and Winny at my age and my dosage I feel will have little to no side effects, and because its just one cycle recovery should be quick and full, but results still sufficient...Thats my thought process right now
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