Fat Burners

[UGADawg]

I never used anything before and I don't even know where to start. This is all new to me, but all you guys seem pretty cool, so I figured I'd ask. Is clen the best and or fastest for burning body fat? I'm also not good with the needles so pills or liquid would be best.

On a side note, let's get it straight that I do understand diet and workout, all natural, is the best and most efficient way to handle this; but hypothetically, I'm at a place where i'm having trouble losing wieght since the metabolism has slowed down. I'm asking what the quickest and most efficient suppliment or anabolic out there.

[bigsd67]

well if you insist that you are dieting and training properly i would just try some Bronkaid (ephedrine), Caffeine, and Yohimbe to start....twice a day works well for me. 1 dose in the AM one dose pre lifting.

[UGADawg]

Well, I swim 2 miles a day, run a mile and a half, bleachers for 45 min, and a smaller weight lift. Is the ECA Stack a good idea for me?

[goosed]

you could start at a real school like georgia tech....hahaha jk

[bigsd67]

Well, I swim 2 miles a day, run a mile and a half, bleachers for 45 min, and a smaller weight lift. Is the ECA Stack a good idea for me?

How bout we start with posting your diet too...you can do that in the diet forum or PM it to me and then i can make a better recommendation. Also, what are you training for?

[ascendant]

i would suggest clen as a safer alternative to the above-mentioned eca stack. though which one is safer is questionable, from my research it seems clen is the safer bet here.

if you do decide to do clen though, do your research. start low and very gradually work your way up, keep track of your rhr, bp, and body temp, as for many people it will increase these.

another very important note is do not push your heart while on clen (keep it at or below 145bpm). i was doing high intensity cardio while on it at one point (about 160bpm) and by the time i finished my cardio my chest was feeling funny and it freaked me out. of course i'm fine, but i'm not sure what the problem was and after i kept my hr down for cardio from then on, i was fine.

clen is actually pretty safe as long as you don't abuse it. eca stacks and me don't get along though, saying as they give me bad chest pains for a yet to be known to me reason.

[Psychotron]

i would suggest clen as a safer alternative to the above-mentioned eca stack. though which one is safer is questionable, from my research it seems clen is the safer bet here.

if you do decide to do clen though, do your research. start low and very gradually work your way up, keep track of your rhr, bp, and body temp, as for many people it will increase these.

another very important note is do not push your heart while on clen (keep it at or below 145bpm). i was doing high intensity cardio while on it at one point (about 160bpm) and by the time i finished my cardio my chest was feeling funny and it freaked me out. of course i'm fine, but i'm not sure what the problem was and after i kept my hr down for cardio from then on, i was fine.

clen is actually pretty safe as long as you don't abuse it. eca stacks and me don't get along though, saying as they give me bad chest pains for a yet to be known to me reason.

I would disagree from the standpoint that he is a novice. I would actually start out with some designer fat loss. Something from like Nutrex would work. ECA is unsafe because of the Aspirin IMO. Clen will likely cause you more annoyance then you would like.

[UGADawg]

Ha, well firstly, Georgia is way better than Tech. Anyway, thanks for the feedback guys. Really, I'm just looking to cut a lot of fat in a shorter time, 2 - 2 and a half months. Then back to all natural I guess, but it's funny, I'm not trying to get really big like a lot of the guys here, don't get me wrong, my uncle was a body builder, he won Mr. New Orleans and I'm a descent size now, but I have a lot of chub, sorry, bf, and I'm looking to drop some "chub", to reach a goal time frame. The girl's coming back from over seas. Anywho, I'm not planning on stacking for an extended peroid, but I will continue my workout without supps or gear, well that's the plan now and just go right back, but I gotta drop some weight in like 8 weeks. Hit me with your thoughts!

[Milky87]

If you want *the* most effective without taking into consideration danger or side effects: DNP

If you dont mind losing a little muscle: T3

[Danny_Dice]

Go with ECA stack....gradually work your up and do it for 6-8 weeks....fat will melt away, specially if you do a lot of cardio (sprint intervals, light jog or walk) and also do weight training.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

how old r u?

[kman]

Well, I swim 2 miles a day, run a mile and a half, bleachers for 45 min, and a smaller weight lift. Is the ECA Stack a good idea for me?

I told you already bro in a previous thread, Be careful when going in heat and running bleachers,sprinting, and swimming. I mean light cardio in the air conditioned gym is fine, but sprinting in heat is asking for trouble. I can't believe No one else can see what this dude is asking. ECA is great,,, if diet cardio and lifting are in place. But you are looking at a heat stroke if you do those exercises while taking those supplements. Also look for an alternative to aspirin...Just trying to help..

[UGADawg]

Oh ya man, I understand that, and I think that's why I was confused. With these activities I do, I'm trying to find out what will work with it. I will be in an air conditioned building when doing all of these activities, but I dont want a heart attck from the Ephedra and I dont want to cook my body. But, also, I've been thinking of changing the work out to just swimming, running, and weights. I prefer doing mostly upper body because, my swimming takes a good work out from my legs and I'm also stronger in my lower body than upper. I just want to know what to do to drop some bf fast and then get right back into a regular work out.

[BROTHERHOOD]

It depends what kind of fat burner your looking for.

If you want one thats also a stimulant look into

CL Red Acid or MAN Scorch


A couple non-stimulant stacks are:

Melting Point+Sesamin or LipidFX+Sesamin

[ascendant]

in all my experience with fat burners, the only ones that make a significant enough difference that they're worth the money is eca, clen, and t3. through what i've read, i can safely assume dnp is effective as well, though from a safety standpoint, i would never encourage anyone to do dnp.

if you're going to do any fatburners, don't waste money on any "designer" fat-loss products you'll find in gnc, vitamin world, etc. most of them simply don't work, they're ridiculously overpriced considering the cost of the ingredients and worse, many just suppress the appetite, which causes a horrible rebound effect in the end. you can get clen and t3 from research labs for far cheaper than most of those hyped up fat-burners that do little to nothing, and at least with clen and t3, you know what you're putting into you.

at controlled and monitored doses, both clen and t3 are pretty safe, many would say even safer than an eca stack. for those that claim clen is so bad for you, lets not forget (if i remember correctly) that in the year 2000, 60% of all competitive athletes were prescribed clen for "excercised induced asthma". this of course was the primary reason it's no longer on the market. however, did you hear of even one case of any athlete dying cause of clen? it's not as dangerous as most think when taken responsibly.

[macrophage69alpha]

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with respect to safety, clen is probably not safer than ephedrine.

see below:

J Appl Physiol. 2005 Apr;98(4):1379-86. Epub 2004 Dec 10. Related Articles, Links


beta2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores Univ., Webster St., Liverpool, L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known whether this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte-specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections via a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed with annexin V, single-strand DNA labeling, and terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase-mediated dUTP nick-end labeling). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg/kg , with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.05%; P < 0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg/kg. In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2%; P < 0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg/kg. Cardiomyocyte apoptosis was detected throughout the ventricles, atria, and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way, from the apex toward the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol, or ICI 118551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that, when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

[macrophage69alpha]

lets not forget (if i remember correctly) that in the year 2000, 60% of all competitive athletes were prescribed clen for "excercised induced asthma". this of course was the primary reason it's no longer on the market.

dont know where you got this information but its not at all accurate. Clenbuterol has never been prescribed in the USA. Its not ever been FDA approved because of its long half life. now salbutamol/albuterol is commonly prescribed, a much weaker beta2 agonist and only as an inhaler (deliver small concentrated doses directly to the lungs)

[UGADawg]

Now I don't know what this adds to the stack, but I have to take Aderol for A.D.D., therefore it does suppress my appetite and is a stimulant. Will taking Ephedra and Asprine work as the ECA stack in a way, or what might mix better or worse?

[XT-reme]

If your taking aderol talk to your doctor before you start any stimulant. I m a newbie but i know that 4 sure.

[XT-reme]

What about Venom by alri, anyone herd of it? is it any good?

[ascendant]

dont know where you got this information but its not at all accurate. Clenbuterol has never been prescribed in the USA. Its not ever been FDA approved because of its long half life. now salbutamol/albuterol is commonly prescribed, a much weaker beta2 agonist and only as an inhaler (deliver small concentrated doses directly to the lungs)

ok, to start, an exact quote from a very reputable steroid profile website: "In 2000 60% of US Olympic athletes claimed to have exercise-induced asthma and ALL of them were prescribed clenbuterol for this condition. An otherwise illegal drug, tolerated solely for this reason". You might want to research a little more before saying information is innacurate, because several other websites have the same (or at least very similar) claims on them. Unless about 5 very popular resource websites are incorrect, this information IS accurate. If you'd like the names of the websites, not sure what ones I can and can't post on here, but I'd be more than happy to send them your way through pm.

also, in regards to your comments on the safety of clen and it's questionable comparison to ephedrine, your studies on your other post don't serve much purpose in regards to practical application of this drug in a fat-loss regimen. the typical doses given to the animals in those kind of studies would be like humans taking grams of this stuff. I don't mean like a gram, I mean grams plural. I know they say damage did occur at the lower doses as well, but you also must take into account that those animals have different receptors than us and will respond differently than humans do. there has not been any proof of necrotic myocyte death in humans as far as i've seen. additionally, if you pumped that much ephedrine proportionately into those animals, they'd probably all be dying of cardiac arrest from cns shock.

another thing you'd have to take into account is dosage for expected effectiveness. basically, an eca stack doesn't boost the metabolism as much as clen does. so, you'd have to compare them proportionately to the results they give a person. also, add t3 in to clen and it blows eca right out the water with very little added sides (in moderate doses of course). to make up for it, you'd have to increase to dangerously high levels of eca to compensate for the clen/t3's stronger fat burning properties. hence, i am still sticking by my original statement that clen is still safer than eca all things considered.

[macrophage69alpha]

ok, to start, an exact quote from a very reputable steroid profile website: "In 2000 60% of US Olympic athletes claimed to have exercise-induced asthma and ALL of them were prescribed clenbuterol for this condition. An otherwise illegal drug, tolerated solely for this reason". You might want to research a little more before saying information is innacurate, because several other websites have the same (or at least very similar) claims on them. Unless about 5 very popular resource websites are incorrect, this information IS accurate.

as noted above the statistic regarding clenbuterol is innaccurate. so yes your 5 very popular resource websites are incorrect.

clenbuterol has not been and is not FDA approved, its never been prescribed in the USA.

clenbuterol is a banned subtance and has been banned by the IOC and NCAA since well before 2000. Albuterol inhalers are allowed.


most steroid information sites (especially drug profiles) are junk. Often just a cut and paste from other sites based on outdated and often very innacurrate information.

[macrophage69alpha]

the typical doses given to the animals in those kind of studies would be like humans taking grams of this stuff. I don't mean like a gram, I mean grams plural.
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sure that you meant to say milligrams, otherwise you would look a bit foolish.

[Foo Man]

What I found to be cheap, but effective for me was xedra-less. It's a generic for xenadrine and is sold by walgreens drug stores. It seems like once a month, they'll have a buy one get one free sale. I get 2- 90 caplet bottles for less then $20. I only need to take 2 every 4 hours and I feel energized, but not jittery and I sweat like a hog when doing cardio. It worked great for me.

[RussianVodka]

ECA, clen, diet and cardio way to go

[Katelette81]

Anyone ever heard of clen having adverse effects on liver/spleen/gall bladder? Just curious...

[macrophage69alpha]

Anyone ever heard of clen having adverse effects on liver/spleen/gall bladder? Just curious...

no, but it can severely disturb electrolyte balance so under the right dietary and physiological circumstances it could easily affect those organs

[guitarzan]

go dawgs!