Insomnia & eating thru waking hours

[PhishStasH]

Okay, so I have these EXTREMELY annoying bouts of insomnia that keep me awake some nights all the way through. It's not as bad as it used to be (when I was having at least 1 panic attack/day), but sometimes I still have to deal with being up during the wee late night hours meditating and listening to gregorian chant and praying that the Man will let me get some sleep so I can grow and not feel like a bag of @$$ the next day.

Anyhow, was wondering...since I'm up, should I still be eating every 2 hours? I mean, not like significant amounts of calorie intake since that would screw my calculated diet, but light meals?

[nirish_mark20]

u cud but this cud speed up ur metabolism and make u more awake. on the other hand, lean protein cud be beneficial, so its 6 of 1 i think, but i aint no expert!

[peterj]

calories in vs calories out equates to weight loss

your 'new' levels of activity do not warrant a noted increase in calorie consumption

you may wish to factor in a 'night time shake' ie taking a slight calorie defifict from other meals to ensure a positive 24hr nitrogen balance

should you eat every 2-3 hours if you don't sleep? no certainly not

[PhishStasH]

So if I'm up and about, take those 8 hours straight thru w/out a meal. Okay *sighs* I'm gonna just start allocating a little more time for sleep and hope that it won't take me an extra hour+ to go under.

[1buffsob]

No, that's BS. Do not go that long without eating. If you're cutting, have a small meal every so often. Shouldn't be much though. I'll go with just a 1/2 cup cc if I'm up way longer than I should be. If you're bulking, no worries mate

As for the insomnia, go see a doc if it doesn't get better. Lack of sleep can be horrible for your body.

1buffsob

[peterj]

So if I'm up and about, take those 8 hours straight thru w/out a meal. Okay *sighs* I'm gonna just start allocating a little more time for sleep and hope that it won't take me an extra hour+ to go under.

its not what i said

re read it

if you are taking on more calories at night, take less on during the day

as stated, postive nitrogen balance is key but at the end of the day, if you are cutting, calories ingested has to be less than calories expended

[SwoleCat]

Forget trying to work AROUND the issue, it's evident this is a very big problem so go see a doctor and stop messin' around seriously.

~SC~

[PhishStasH]

No, that's BS. Do not go that long without eating. If you're cutting, have a small meal every so often. Shouldn't be much though. I'll go with just a 1/2 cup cc if I'm up way longer than I should be. If you're bulking, no worries mate

As for the insomnia, go see a doc if it doesn't get better. Lack of sleep can be horrible for your body.

1buffsob

Thanks Kyle

[PhishStasH]

Forget trying to work AROUND the issue, it's evident this is a very big problem so go see a doctor and stop messin' around seriously.

~SC~

I think it's maybe 2 days a week that I have serious trouble falling asleep. Doctors usually wanna just put you on meds. I take enough meds. And I don't really care to start dropping Ambien or Lunesta or some crap to get to sleep. I'd rather let it happen naturally.

But thanx for the advice. I may just go see a doc anyway if it doesn't get better soon. I'll keep ya posted.

[1buffsob]

Glad to hear it bud. Definately let us know what he says.

1buffsob

[wolfstriked]

It could be if your taking in pro/fat meals at night.For many it doesnt cause issues but for some like me I will not go to sleep unless I eat carbs.If your eating a pro/carb meal for breakfast,try moving it to before bed instead.Might just work for ya.

[ascendant]

I think it's maybe 2 days a week that I have serious trouble falling asleep. Doctors usually wanna just put you on meds. I take enough meds. And I don't really care to start dropping Ambien or Lunesta or some crap to get to sleep. I'd rather let it happen naturally.

But thanx for the advice. I may just go see a doc anyway if it doesn't get better soon. I'll keep ya posted.

it's a good thing you don't like meds. way too many people think that's the solution. treating anxiety, which seems to be the cause of your insomnia, is about gaining a better understanding of the condition and learning to consciously control it, which will eventually altogether eliminate them. trust me, i know from personal experience, and without ANY meds whatsoever.

anxiety meds only cover up symptoms, and doctor prescribed sleep-aids most oftentimes compromise sleep, so neither are going to do much good.

though the anxiety is something way too complicated to describe the solution to here, i can assure you the answer is not meds, but learning to control it. as far as the insomnia, here's a list of all the treatment you should ever need:
1) warm milk - natural sedative which dates back to our childhood
2) lavendar n vanilla pillow mist - naturally calming scents, combo can be found at bath n body works
3) the mellow music, which you already seem to know helps
4) meditation, which you already use as well
5) melatonin - it's a chemical naturally produced by the body, and therefore won't compromise sleep
6) warm bath, even better one with epsom salts - excellent way to calm the nerves
7) if all else fails, diphenhydramine hcl - this is an otc sleep-aid pill which is also an allergy med. from my understanding, using this occasionally will not compromise sleep very much, but an overuse of it will, so use this sparingly for no more than 4 or 5 days straight at most

between the above-mentioned methods, there is no reason you won't be able to get a good nights rest. i occasionally have insomnia as well, but mine is because i have a hard time shutting my brain off at the end of the day (aka i think too much). however, between those methods above, i have never not been able to get a good nights sleep.

if none of those methods work above, either the anxiety needs to be worked on first or you may have a problem that needs a stronger treatment. i would personally go to a health food store however, speak with someone knowledgeable on natural sleep-aids that won't compromise sleep, and take it from there. no good will come from the meds, and every single med out there has far more side-effects than benefits.

so many people seem to have anxiety issues and insomnia nowadays. i'm wondering what it is that's causing it? maybe all the electromagnetic chaos from cell phones and towers? maybe from certain food additives? there must be some cause, cause it's becoming a very big problem nowadays.

after having read this thread which is number i don't even know what about anxiety/insomnia, i've decided to begin a website on treatments for both. having experienced both personally and having helped 3 friends who dealt with similar problems with success every time, i think i'm more than capable of making one. if you'd like, i'll pm you when it's finished, though i'm sure it will take some time, as conscious direction for overcoming anxiety is not something that's done overnight.

[Ufa]

I take ambien. Wal Mart has an over the counter pill called Sleep Aid. Only cost a few bucks per box. Works good also.

[PhishStasH]

I take ambien. Wal Mart has an over the counter pill called Sleep Aid. Only cost a few bucks per box. Works good also.

Wantin' to stay away from the meds if possible. Thanx.

though the anxiety is something way too complicated to describe the solution to here, i can assure you the answer is not meds, but learning to control it. as far as the insomnia, here's a list of all the treatment you should ever need:
1) warm milk - natural sedative which dates back to our childhood
2) lavendar n vanilla pillow mist - naturally calming scents, combo can be found at bath n body works
3) the mellow music, which you already seem to know helps
4) meditation, which you already use as well
5) melatonin - it's a chemical naturally produced by the body, and therefore won't compromise sleep
6) warm bath, even better one with epsom salts - excellent way to calm the nerves
7) if all else fails, diphenhydramine hcl - this is an otc sleep-aid pill which is also an allergy med. from my understanding, using this occasionally will not compromise sleep very much, but an overuse of it will, so use this sparingly for no more than 4 or 5 days straight at most

(you forgot)

8) and if you still can't fall asleep, drive immediately to your girlfriend's place, crawl in her bed, have your way with her for an EXTENDED period of time, drink glass of wine, and viola! ......j/k

It could be if your taking in pro/fat meals at night.For many it doesnt cause issues but for some like me I will not go to sleep unless I eat carbs.If your eating a pro/carb meal for breakfast,try moving it to before bed instead.Might just work for ya.

Haven't been able to not cram a hefty bowl of oatmeal down with some meat before I "attempt" to hit the sac anyhow. Thanx though.

[PhishStasH]

it's a good thing you don't like meds. way too many people think that's the solution. treating anxiety, which seems to be the cause of your insomnia, is about gaining a better understanding of the condition and learning to consciously control it, which will eventually altogether eliminate them. trust me, i know from personal experience, and without ANY meds whatsoever.

anxiety meds only cover up symptoms, and doctor prescribed sleep-aids most oftentimes compromise sleep, so neither are going to do much good.

though the anxiety is something way too complicated to describe the solution to here, i can assure you the answer is not meds, but learning to control it. as far as the insomnia, here's a list of all the treatment you should ever need:
1) warm milk - natural sedative which dates back to our childhood
2) lavendar n vanilla pillow mist - naturally calming scents, combo can be found at bath n body works
3) the mellow music, which you already seem to know helps
4) meditation, which you already use as well
5) melatonin - it's a chemical naturally produced by the body, and therefore won't compromise sleep
6) warm bath, even better one with epsom salts - excellent way to calm the nerves
7) if all else fails, diphenhydramine hcl - this is an otc sleep-aid pill which is also an allergy med. from my understanding, using this occasionally will not compromise sleep very much, but an overuse of it will, so use this sparingly for no more than 4 or 5 days straight at most

between the above-mentioned methods, there is no reason you won't be able to get a good nights rest. i occasionally have insomnia as well, but mine is because i have a hard time shutting my brain off at the end of the day (aka i think too much). however, between those methods above, i have never not been able to get a good nights sleep.

if none of those methods work above, either the anxiety needs to be worked on first or you may have a problem that needs a stronger treatment. i would personally go to a health food store however, speak with someone knowledgeable on natural sleep-aids that won't compromise sleep, and take it from there. no good will come from the meds, and every single med out there has far more side-effects than benefits.

so many people seem to have anxiety issues and insomnia nowadays. i'm wondering what it is that's causing it? maybe all the electromagnetic chaos from cell phones and towers? maybe from certain food additives? there must be some cause, cause it's becoming a very big problem nowadays.

after having read this thread which is number i don't even know what about anxiety/insomnia, i've decided to begin a website on treatments for both. having experienced both personally and having helped 3 friends who dealt with similar problems with success every time, i think i'm more than capable of making one. if you'd like, i'll pm you when it's finished, though i'm sure it will take some time, as conscious direction for overcoming anxiety is not something that's done overnight.

Ya know, I think my problem may be similar to yours. My thoughts are usually spinning when I'm gettin' to bed as well. I'll write something down if it lingers for too long and I think it helps just to have it sorted set away to ponder over later.

I copy/pasted this to a Word doc and printed it out as well. Gonna try a couple of these methods and see if any will help. Thanks!

[ascendant]

Ya know, I think my problem may be similar to yours. My thoughts are usually spinning when I'm gettin' to bed as well. I'll write something down if it lingers for too long and I think it helps just to have it sorted set away to ponder over later.

I copy/pasted this to a Word doc and printed it out as well. Gonna try a couple of these methods and see if any will help. Thanks!

no prob bro. let me know how things work out for ya.

[PhishStasH]

Figured maybe posting some more info about myself would help inspire some more thoughts...

I take Buspar 5mg ED for generalized anxiety disorder. This the only med I take for anxiety. I'm prescribed Ativan to take 0,5mg 3x/day, but I used to take Xanax bars for kicks in junior high and bennies don't do much for me anyway. I know I could use it adjunctively to help me go to sleep, but as mentioned above, it will compromise sleep.

Only thing else I take is Singulair 5mg ED before bed and this actually relaxes me and helps me get to sleep. I know this b/c when I don't take it, usually takes longer to fall under.

[wolfstriked]

Im beating the carb issue here I know

If you are laying in bed and its getting near time to wake up try taking two tbsp's of dex.That knocks me out fast but I wake up fast since blood sugar drops too low and body reacts.But since I just want to sleep for say and hour or two it works for me.

Also stay away from booze.When I booze hard I cant sleep for days.Then I bring out the hardcore stuff....nyquil

Works everytime but I dont think its safe to get addicted to that stuff.

[PhishStasH]

Im beating the carb issue here I know

If you are laying in bed and its getting near time to wake up try taking two tbsp's of dex.That knocks me out fast but I wake up fast since blood sugar drops too low and body reacts.But since I just want to sleep for say and hour or two it works for me.

Also stay away from booze.When I booze hard I cant sleep for days.Then I bring out the hardcore stuff....nyquil

Works everytime but I dont think its safe to get addicted to that stuff.

Interesting note about the dex. I need to get some of that stuff and try it out.

I've considered Nyquil. Holding off, though.

Thanx, bro

[runninpony]

Anxiety does seem as its becoming a big problem in this day and age. As a past sufferer myself I can say it SUCKS horribly. Matter of fact my mother is eat up so bad with it thats its caused considerable health issues with her. My bout years ago was a short bout of a little over a year and was caused by a dumb high school mistake(overdoes on Xtacy). That basically caused all the serotonin in my brain to be depleted at once and my body had none left to dispense therefore causing anxiety that lasted for over a year. I was sick as hell because of it and couldnt even take aspirin forever because the anxiety would make me wig out! Serious condition that takes a huge amount of mind power, and usually even meds to control....I feel terribly sorry for anyone who has to deal with anxiety,,,but can promise that it can be beat.

[PhishStasH]

Anxiety does seem as its becoming a big problem in this day and age. As a past sufferer myself I can say it SUCKS horribly. Matter of fact my mother is eat up so bad with it thats its caused considerable health issues with her. My bout years ago was a short bout of a little over a year and was caused by a dumb high school mistake(overdoes on Xtacy). That basically caused all the serotonin in my brain to be depleted at once and my body had none left to dispense therefore causing anxiety that lasted for over a year. I was sick as hell because of it and couldnt even take aspirin forever because the anxiety would make me wig out! Serious condition that takes a huge amount of mind power, and usually even meds to control....I feel terribly sorry for anyone who has to deal with anxiety,,,but can promise that it can be beat.

I can relate. I believe a lot of my anxiety is a product not just of day to day situations/problems, but also my previous teenage usage of narcotics. I've done just about everything besides heroin and meth. Bad, huh? Well, I'm paying for it.

[ascendant]

Anxiety does seem as its becoming a big problem in this day and age. As a past sufferer myself I can say it SUCKS horribly. Matter of fact my mother is eat up so bad with it thats its caused considerable health issues with her. My bout years ago was a short bout of a little over a year and was caused by a dumb high school mistake(overdoes on Xtacy). That basically caused all the serotonin in my brain to be depleted at once and my body had none left to dispense therefore causing anxiety that lasted for over a year. I was sick as hell because of it and couldnt even take aspirin forever because the anxiety would make me wig out! Serious condition that takes a huge amount of mind power, and usually even meds to control....I feel terribly sorry for anyone who has to deal with anxiety,,,but can promise that it can be beat.

sounds like you might be someone i'll call on for help developing my website. good to know i'm not the only one recognizing the increase in anxiety/panic attack sufferers.

i tell you what though, overcoming them is not only self-empowering, but teaches you a lot about yourself and how your mind-body connection works. good to hear you pulled out of them. some people become dependent on the meds for life.

[PhishStasH]

Panic attacks are a bitch. I dealt with them off and on (by on I mean I was having at least one a day) for over a year, and have not had one since early last fall. I think the fear of having another attack became worse than the attacks themselves which just led to having more.

I'm sure this is extremely uncommon among those with panic disorder, but sometimes I would have an attack that would segue into convulsions. And I mean teeth-chattering, arm-flailing, body-clenching spasms. My doc at the time wasn't able to diagnose according to those symptoms, and I still don't know if I was having true seizures b/c I never experienced any incontinence which is very characteristic of seizues. I can recall once being in the kitchen late at night eating something, a complete lapse of memory followed, and waking up on the kitchen floor soaked in sweat with my dog licking my face. I had no idea how much time had passed.

I used to take a SNRI called Effexor for the generalized anxiety and anxiety-related depression. My shrink at the time the convulsions began put me on Gabitril which is a mild epileptic med for convulsions and those types of symptoms. It helped dull what was going on, but I had to get over all that shit by myself. I threw away the drugs and just began meditating and putting my faith into work. Threw this, I was able to overcome most of the symptoms I previously experienced. Insomnia and an occasional spike of anxiety is all that is left.

Seems tonight is gonna be one of those nights. My body is tired and needs rest, but my mind is swirling. Might just head to Wally's world and pick up some of that melatonin and check out that allergy med. *sigh*

[Myka]

Im there with ya..lets go to walmart ..I will get the snacks (animal crackers)

[PhishStasH]

Don't forget the Pork Rhines! Crazy fool

[Myka]

wtf??..I prefer vienna sausages...dude if you cant sleep there is a whore thread

[runninpony]

sounds like you might be someone i'll call on for help developing my website. good to know i'm not the only one recognizing the increase in anxiety/panic attack sufferers.

i tell you what though, overcoming them is not only self-empowering, but teaches you a lot about yourself and how your mind-body connection works. good to hear you pulled out of them. some people become dependent on the meds for life.

Sorry for the late reply but somehow this thread wasnt subscribed to. Yes most people do become dependant on the meds for life. Thing about the meds is they may cause anxiety to slow down, but cause mind problems all on thier own. I was on a few myself including Celexa, but decided against dr's will to take myself off and learn to deal with it. It slowly, and I mean slowly, got better and better but now Im so glad I was able to get rid of it the way I did. I seriously believe anxiety is 90% phsycological and 10% chemical imbalance, and with the brain being 90% in control, anything can be conquered. But it is tough. And living with it brings down your quality of life.

[ascendant]

Sorry for the late reply but somehow this thread wasnt subscribed to. Yes most people do become dependant on the meds for life. Thing about the meds is they may cause anxiety to slow down, but cause mind problems all on thier own. I was on a few myself including Celexa, but decided against dr's will to take myself off and learn to deal with it. It slowly, and I mean slowly, got better and better but now Im so glad I was able to get rid of it the way I did. I seriously believe anxiety is 90% phsycological and 10% chemical imbalance, and with the brain being 90% in control, anything can be conquered. But it is tough. And living with it brings down your quality of life.

i agree with just about all you said here. as far as the meds, they merely mask the symptoms, they actually don't keep the chemicals that were triggering the anxiety from reacting. you basically still get the chemical triggers for anxiety attacks, but you just don't get the physical symptoms of it. it's hard to explain and varies depending on the type of med, but there is not one medication that actually treats the actual anxiety mechanism itself, as they don't know exactly what causes it as it's very individualized based on the person.

sometimes, a persons anxiety attack triggers are rooted deeply into their childhood or a specific experience in their past. when the subconscious correlates things happening in a persons life that it relates to the past incident, this can trigger the anxiety attack reactions. sometimes, it's from fears of specific situations. sometimes, it's even just stress, either physical, emotional, or mental. one of the keys to getting over anxiety attacks is to learn your specific trigger(s) and figure out why it is that you have issues revolving around that and to resolve them. depending on the cause, this can be fairly simple or extremely complex, but there is always a psychological trigger mechanism.

the problem with anxiety isn't the symptoms but the conditioned thinking that's triggering them. that is why when people come off the meds, the majority of the time they come off worse than when they started. the solution is changing the thought patterns.

as far as what you stated about the majority of it being psychological, i completely agree. observations of people having overcome anxiety attacks shows primarily one of two instances having occurred. the first is they manage to keep the external physical/psychological stimulus that triggers their attacks from triggering them, hence the entire response is avoided. second, others whos anxiety attacks truly is a chemical "misfire" in the brain (which is extremely rare) overcome them by actually reteaching their brain to not respond to the chemicals released that trigger the anxiety attacks. this is comparable to the "check engine" light going off in your car when you know very well nothing is wrong with your car. knowing the light is merely malfunctioning and giving a false alarm, you blow it off, and in doing so save yourself the time of driving all the way down to the mechanic for them to tell you that there's nothing wrong with your car. though the light is still on, knowing nothing is wrong with your car (other than the light malfuctioning), everything is fine. eventually, you wouldn't even notice the "check engine" light being on anymore, and it would fail to even catch your eye.

i'll try to find the info on all that which will make more sense than i did trying to explain it just now. however, in either instance, the mind is able to override typical response through psychological affirmation and discipline.

[runninpony]

The craziest thing about anxiety is that it is a pure phsycological problem, however it can cause major physical problems,,,everything from stomach and bowel problems to cancer and heart attacks. Its like the devil running around in your body.

[PhishStasH]

The craziest thing about anxiety is that it is a pure phsycological problem, however it can cause major physical problems,,,everything from stomach and bowel problems to cancer and heart attacks. Its like the devil running around in your body.

Interesting to note, b/c it can almost seen as if the devil is running around in your body in those with severe anxiety and especially those with panic disorder. A panic attack can feel like a heart attack. These physical symptoms coupled with the ruminating thoughts of helplessness and loss of control over oneself....it's a horrible experience.

[PhishStasH]

I've actually been sleeping a lot better recently. One thing that has definitely helped is taking a hot shower in the evening, stretch out everything good, and meditating for just 15 minutes or so. Sometimes I lose track of time and end up going over 30 minutes or so, I just stop whenever I feel I'm ready to. I've been able to fall asleep faster (w/in 30 minutes, or so) and I get a more restful sleep and feel more refreshed when I wake up in the morning.

I've also put that pro/carb meal right before bed as wolfstriked suggested and I don't know if that has helped independently but in combination with staying relaxed my last waking hour or so, I've definitely been able to get more sleep.

[gio86]

try taking valerian drops....you can buy them any health store and they actually work. natural stuff to so its not as bad as med. they do smell like shit tho but they help to calm you down and feel relaxed

[wolfstriked]

I've also put that pro/carb meal right before bed as wolfstriked suggested and I don't know if that has helped independently but in combination with staying relaxed my last waking hour or so, I've definitely been able to get more sleep.

Hey Hey Hey

Try this for an emergency nightime knockout punch

2oz pasta cooked very firm
couple tbsps Dex

The dex causes a nice insulin rush,the L-tryptophan floods the brain blood barrier and seratonin is produced causing that feeling so many of us want/need/crave and so many take for granted.

The pasta is to slowly release carbs into blood so you dont wake up from low blood sugar.

[PhishStasH]

Hey Hey Hey

Try this for an emergency nightime knockout punch

2oz pasta cooked very firm
couple tbsps Dex

The dex causes a nice insulin rush,the L-tryptophan floods the brain blood barrier and seratonin is produced causing that feeling so many of us want/need/crave and so many take for granted.

The pasta is to slowly release carbs into blood so you dont wake up from low blood sugar.

Thanks for the tip. I'll try that out if I have another late night.

[ascendant]

The craziest thing about anxiety is that it is a pure phsycological problem, however it can cause major physical problems,,,everything from stomach and bowel problems to cancer and heart attacks. Its like the devil running around in your body.

um, who ever told you anxiety attacks can cause cancer and heart attacks?! that is the most absurd thing i've ever heard.

other than the emotional trauma and the stomach issues which are associated with the anxiety mechanism shutting down your digestive system in a "figh or flight" condition, there is no other physical ailments anxiety can cause you. yes, it can cause shakiness and other feelings of the like, but it can not harm you physically in any way. anxiety attacks are a natural mechanism of the body and therefore CAN'T harm the body. the problem isn't the chemicals being triggered in the body, but the bodies inability to shut them off.

though anxiety attacks can feel like hell, there has never been any documented case of one ever harming anyone. it does not progress into other medical conditions. it does not progress into physical conditions. it does not cause heart attacks, stroke, cancer, or any of the like. if it did, than everyone would be dying, cause we all have these chemicals in our bodies everyday of our lives. it's like saying your bodies naturally produced endorphins could kill you.

do your research and you'll find my statements to be 100% accurate. it just really concerns me that you'd make false statements like that cause people with anxiety attacks have a hard enough time as it is. you don't need to be falsely leading them into thinking the attacks can kill them.

again, any and all research into anxiety/panic attacks will show they are not harmful to the body, save for the emotional trauma they can cause. however, with understanding, time, willpower, and knowledge, it can be overcome.

[PhishStasH]

um, who ever told you anxiety attacks can cause cancer and heart attacks?! that is the most absurd thing i've ever heard.

other than the emotional trauma and the stomach issues which are associated with the anxiety mechanism shutting down your digestive system in a "figh or flight" condition, there is no other physical ailments anxiety can cause you. yes, it can cause shakiness and other feelings of the like, but it can not harm you physically in any way. anxiety attacks are a natural mechanism of the body and therefore CAN'T harm the body. the problem isn't the chemicals being triggered in the body, but the bodies inability to shut them off.

though anxiety attacks can feel like hell, there has never been any documented case of one ever harming anyone. it does not progress into other medical conditions. it does not progress into physical conditions. it does not cause heart attacks, stroke, cancer, or any of the like. if it did, than everyone would be dying, cause we all have these chemicals in our bodies everyday of our lives. it's like saying your bodies naturally produced endorphins could kill you.

do your research and you'll find my statements to be 100% accurate. it just really concerns me that you'd make false statements like that cause people with anxiety attacks have a hard enough time as it is. you don't need to be falsely leading them into thinking the attacks can kill them.

again, any and all research into anxiety/panic attacks will show they are not harmful to the body, save for the emotional trauma they can cause. however, with understanding, time, willpower, and knowledge, it can be overcome.

I just noticed that runninpony's post said verbatim it can lead to cancer and heart attacks. Hah, yea, huge misconception there. Anxiety attacks don't lead to any other ailments/diseases, whatsoever. Save, as you mentioned, the emotional trauma as a result of experiencing and fearing future onsets. Thanks for clearin' it up, bro.

[ascendant]

I just noticed that runninpony's post said verbatim it can lead to cancer and heart attacks. Hah, yea, huge misconception there. Anxiety attacks don't lead to any other ailments/diseases, whatsoever. Save, as you mentioned, the emotional trauma as a result of experiencing and fearing future onsets. Thanks for clearin' it up, bro.

no problem. like i said in that post, i just had to clear that up cause i know how traumatizing anxiety attacks can be, and the last thing those people need to think is that those attacks can actually harm them. knowing they can't is one of the things that actually helps you blow them off later down the road in the recovery process.

[runninpony]

You have obviously have never,, or known anyone who has suffered from it. Also the #1 cause of anxiety,,stress,,,can cause physical ailments as well. Dr told my mother if she doesnt rid her life of stress she will die,,like anyone could possibly rid their life of stress. Stress wasnt my problem, it was a drug overdose that cause chemical problems in my brain,,and it caused me to have bowel problems, stomach ulcers, and a few other problems,,,how do you figure it doesnt cause physical ailments? Maybe you should research???

[PhishStasH]

You have obviously have never,, or known anyone who has suffered from it. Also the #1 cause of anxiety,,stress,,,can cause physical ailments as well. Dr told my mother if she doesnt rid her life of stress she will die,,like anyone could possibly rid their life of stress. Stress wasnt my problem, it was a drug overdose that cause chemical problems in my brain,,and it caused me to have bowel problems, stomach ulcers, and a few other problems,,,how do you figure it doesnt cause physical ailments? Maybe you should research???

Actually, I've been clinically diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Panic Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder. So obviously I have never suffered from it.

I don't believe it was ever mentioned in this thread that stress didn't cause physical ailments. We were discussing anxiety attacks, bro. Read carefully.

You go on to say that you have contracted physical ailments as a result of drug use and the chemical inbalances that you have forced upon your brain/CNS. And then you ask how do we figure it doesn't cause physical ailments...when you're not even talking about stress any more. You're talking about what doing drugs did to you.

And trust me, I've done my research. I dealt with my disorders using the power of knowledge and knowing what was going on inside my body, not drugs. Perhaps, you could do some more browsing of your own, bro.

[ascendant]

Actually, I've been clinically diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Panic Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder. So obviously I have never suffered from it.

I don't believe it was ever mentioned in this thread that stress didn't cause physical ailments. We were discussing anxiety attacks, bro. Read carefully.

You go on to say that you have contracted physical ailments as a result of drug use and the chemical inbalances that you have forced upon your brain/CNS. And then you ask how do we figure it doesn't cause physical ailments...when you're not even talking about stress any more. You're talking about what doing drugs did to you.

And trust me, I've done my research. I dealt with my disorders using the power of knowledge and knowing what was going on inside my body, not drugs. Perhaps, you could do some more browsing of your own, bro.

completely agree.

i also had been diagnosed with generalized anxiety attacks AND panic disorder. i had dealt with them at one point around 19yrs old for a good 8 months or so, then again when i was about 25 for almost a year. these were very stressful times in my life, and that was a big contributing factor towards my anxiety attacks.

though for some those times may seem fairly short as some deal with them for years, my attacks were very severe, many times keeping me from even leaving my house. i had numerous symptoms, including depersonalization and derealization, and there were countless times where i really thought i was going to lose it till i gained control of the situation.

the first time around, i gained a pretty decent knowledge of the attacks and what was chemically happening in my body. as my stress went away however, my attacks very very slowly subsided, so i never completely dealt with it head-on. the second time around is when i really thoroughly researched and managed to completely overcome them. i researched on the web, in the library in books, through others with personal experiences, through self-experimentation, through doctors/psychologists, and these are just my resources from off the top of my head. i've done my research. i must say however, you seem to be falling short on that end, as even the slightest dabbling into researching these disorders will clearly indicate this issue will not cause the problems you stated.

any and all info you will find on websites and books regarding anxiety and panic disorders will clearly indicate both me and phishstash are correct. i'd encourage you to do some basic research and you'll find this information accurate.