R-Ala timing

[wolfstriked]

I searched with ala in search function but nothing came up so I will start a new thread.

First off I would love to hear if any of you are using r-ala and getting noticable results.Would love to get the pumps I did when I was younger

Second,how do I time it?Should I take with a meal or a 1/2 hr before?

Thanks

[wolfstriked]

Wow!!

I finished my 4th pro/carb meal of the day 2 hrs ago.I doubled the amount of carbs for each meal and slipped in a fat free chewy granola bar with first meal.I took 2 caps of r-ala with each meal.

All I can say is wow!!!
After 4 meals of carbs I always look bloated and right now I look like my muscles are full and no bloat whatsoever.I am amazed and also a bit saddened as to how bad my body utilizes carbs.Most of the carbs I consume just spill over into my fat stores.My workouts give me this indication as two sets per muscle and I get super fatigued.But if I carb heavy for say two days then I can do 4 or 5 sets no problem.The thing is my muscles seem to absorb slowly so I have to consume lots of carbs over an extended time and I dont want that.

I dont want to get too excited as I wonder if this is just a first time effect at which point it will dwindle away.I really hope this stuff is my magic bullet.I will start using it always with carb meals and also will add cinnamon.

Anyone have any other suggestions to improve insulin sensitivity??

[Testostack]

Wow!!

I finished my 4th pro/carb meal of the day 2 hrs ago.I doubled the amount of carbs for each meal and slipped in a fat free chewy granola bar with first meal.I took 2 caps of r-ala with each meal.

All I can say is wow!!!
After 4 meals of carbs I always look bloated and right now I look like my muscles are full and no bloat whatsoever.I am amazed and also a bit saddened as to how bad my body utilizes carbs.Most of the carbs I consume just spill over into my fat stores.My workouts give me this indication as two sets per muscle and I get super fatigued.But if I carb heavy for say two days then I can do 4 or 5 sets no problem.The thing is my muscles seem to absorb slowly so I have to consume lots of carbs over an extended time and I dont want that.

I dont want to get too excited as I wonder if this is just a first time effect at which point it will dwindle away.I really hope this stuff is my magic bullet.I will start using it always with carb meals and also will add cinnamon.

Anyone have any other suggestions to improve insulin sensitivity??

good to know.....

[sooners04]

ALA is a supplement to help keep insulin spikes down, I didn't know that it provided a "pump" feeling. I have been taking it for the last month and my pumps haven't been any better? I take it before meals, never PWO.

[Jakspro]

umm, not to bust your bubble but i dont think that R-ALA is a magic pill. I think its all in your head, but time will tell. I take it right before my Pro/Carb meals when i'm cutting. Also do a search on Cinnamon. In some studies it has shown to help insulin sensitivity.

[wolfstriked]

When I say pump I mean my muscles are full.Each gram of carb stored in muscle holds 4 gms water with it.

I hope that my bubble doesnt get busted!! The thing is when Im not working out I get really heavy and have been up to 290.I get the worst hypoglycemia too.Trust me I am a good test subject for a supplement that helps out with insulin sensitivity.I would think that someone who is naturally lean will not see a dramatic difference when taking ALA since they dont really need it.There body takes the incoming carbs and just shuttle away with very little insulin release.Fat peeps like me who get bloated from carbs I feel will see results since we are now getting the carb into the muscles instead of converting to fat and being stored because too much insulin was released.

I hope that its the ala and wonder if I would of gotten this effect anyway by just increasing my carbs but I highly doubt it.I guess Ill be better able to tell when i go back to just eating 150gms carbs per day.

[Jakt]

i stopped using it, don't think it does much, now vanadyl sulfate, that u can def feel

[sooners04]

When I say pump I mean my muscles are full.Each gram of carb stored in muscle holds 4 gms water with it.

Don't you mean that each gram of carb is 4 cals. j/k

[wolfstriked]

Don't you mean that each gram of carb is 4 cals. j/k

Nooooo,I meant 4 calories = R-ALA

[wolfstriked]

Yes I got great results from vanadyl.Quit it though after reading its toxic to liver.

Vanadyl and a cyclic ketogenic diet are amzing in getting your muscles engorged with carbs and water.The thing is though that after 2 or 3 weekend carb ups the effects start to diminish.

[Mizfit]

I like the look of my muscles more when i take L-arginine

R - ala.. doesn't really make them look any different

[wolfstriked]

I like the look of my muscles more when i take L-arginine

R - ala.. doesn't really make them look any different

What and how does L-Arginine help you?I have heard of it but dont know what it is used for.

As for you not getting benefits from ALA,are you naturally skinny?In your pic you look to have very low BF level.I really think that skinny peeps wont get benefit from it due to having really tight insulin(blood sugar) control.

Not bad for a Newyawka.......Eh??

[Mizfit]

What and how does L-Arginine help you?I have heard of it but dont know what it is used for.

As for you not getting benefits from ALA,are you naturally skinny?In your pic you look to have very low BF level.I really think that skinny peeps wont get benefit from it due to having really tight insulin(blood sugar) control.

Not bad for a Newyawka.......Eh??

haha some ppl call me skinny.. but i have quite a bit of muscle on me.. lean is the proper term. DAMN

"L-Arginine is an essential amino acid that has been utilized by athletes for the past thirty years to achieve optimum performance. It increases muscle protein synthesis. Research studies document that nitric oxide from Arginine has a positive effect increasing muscle mass."

[wolfstriked]

haha some ppl call me skinny.. but i have quite a bit of muscle on me.. lean is the proper term. DAMN

TOO CUTE,i LOOKED AT YOUR WEBSITE AND YOU ARE A LEAN AND MEAN HOTTIE!!I FIND THE LOOK YOU HAVE TO BE THE BEST LOOK FOR A WOMAN IMO.

"L-Arginine is an essential amino acid that has been utilized by athletes for the past thirty years to achieve optimum performance. It increases muscle protein synthesis. Research studies document that nitric oxide from Arginine has a positive effect increasing muscle mass."

I tried nitric oxide and felt like I was gonna explode!!!I felt unhealthy on it and stopped after bottle was thru.I cant explain how I felt but it didnt agree with me at all.

[Lavinco]

R-ALA is used for controlling insulin spikes.

Many BB's and even diebetics take this, including myself, 1/2 hour before heavy carb loaded meals.

It works very well in controlling insulin levels and also is known to protect and even heal the liver from damage.

You would not want to take ALA before your PWO, with high protein meals that contain little or no carbs and you would not take it alone without eating.

[wolfstriked]

R-ALA is used for controlling insulin spikes.

Many BB's and even diebetics take this, including myself, 1/2 hour before heavy carb loaded meals.

It works very well in controlling insulin levels and also is known to protect and even heal the liver from damage.

You would not want to take ALA before your PWO, with high protein meals that contain little or no carbs and you would not take it alone without eating.

Heals liver damage A drinking bodybuilding supplement all in one!!


I swear i look different after one day on it and todays workout went pretty well.Getting weaker but I dont care as I lowered my protein,for now.Had way more stamina even doing a rep out set with 40's for 20 reps.

Interesting that you say not to take without carbs....makes sense since it mimics insulin and so will drop your blood sugar.I dont agree though with not taking it with PWO meal.

The way I view it and I may be worng is like this.We use dex post workout for the fact that its super sugar and hence rapid blood rise and insulin response.This causes a fast storage of carbs and aminos into muscle cells.The thing is everyone is different when it comes to how fast their muscles absorb nutrients under insulins push.I feel I have bad insulin resistance and so spill most of the carbs over into my fat stores.So by using r-ala with PWO meal I am helping to shuttle the nutrients into the muscles and so my blood sugar doesnt go to high ensuirng I absorb more in my muscles than my fat cells.

Now thats if r-ala only pushes nutrients into muscle cells and not both like insulin does if it goes to high.Does that make sense or am I looking at it wrong?

[novastepp]

hey Mizfit, maybe look into Leucine too. sounds like it would be your kind of amino.

[Mizfit]

hey Mizfit, maybe look into Leucine too. sounds like it would be your kind of amino.

Never heard of it, but im looking it up.. where do u get it from?

[yodaddy]

xan u get ALA at reg supp stores such as vitamine shoppe?..or somethign only ordered form internet?

[wolfstriked]

xan u get ALA at reg supp stores such as vitamine shoppe?..or somethign only ordered form internet?

Yes vitamin shoppe.I lucked out yesterday as there was a mistake on the price.It rang up as 29.95 but the sticker at shelf said 13.95.I won and brought the last two at the lower price.Get the r-ala as its supposedly better.

The thing is that it binds with biotin so your supposed to supplement with it and I didnt get any

[Mizfit]

xan u get ALA at reg supp stores such as vitamine shoppe?..or somethign only ordered form internet?

Get R-ala, not ALA

And yes supplement stores sell both, not all will have the r-ala though - the better one

[Lavinco]

Get R-ala, not ALA

And yes supplement stores sell both, not all will have the r-ala though - the better one

i get my Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) from walmart for $4.88. Combine that with my biotin supp that I also get at walmart and it works just as well as R-ALA IMO.

I have used R-ALA and IMO it is just hyped up.

No, you don't take biotin with R-ALA. It is already an added ingredient in that brand. I think the "R" somehow indicates the blend.

I know the shit from walmart works well because I am a type 2 diabetic and I use it every day as I monitor my blood glucose levels.

[wolfstriked]

i get my Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) from walmart for $4.88. Combine that with my biotin supp that I also get at walmart and it works just as well as R-ALA IMO.

I have used R-ALA and IMO it is just hyped up.

No, you don't take biotin with R-ALA. It is already an added ingredient in that brand. I think the "R" somehow indicates the blend.

I know the shit from walmart works well because I am a type 2 diabetic and I use it every day as I monitor my blood glucose levels.

Good info.I remember when Kent nutrition said it was very close and you can just take a bit more ala to get same benefit as r-ala and its way cheaper.

As for the r-ala having biotin,I dont think thats correct.certain companys add it such as glucorell but the one I purchased doesnt have it added.

[Lavinco]

Good info.I remember when Kent nutrition said it was very close and you can just take a bit more ala to get same benefit as r-ala and its way cheaper.

As for the r-ala having biotin,I dont think thats correct.certain companys add it such as glucorell but the one I purchased doesnt have it added.

You could be right. It's been a while since I bought any of that over-priced stuff online. I may have been thinking of the glucorell-R that has the biotin in it.

[Kärnfysikern]

i get my Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) from walmart for $4.88. Combine that with my biotin supp that I also get at walmart and it works just as well as R-ALA IMO.

I have used R-ALA and IMO it is just hyped up.

No, you don't take biotin with R-ALA. It is already an added ingredient in that brand. I think the "R" somehow indicates the blend.

I know the shit from walmart works well because I am a type 2 diabetic and I use it every day as I monitor my blood glucose levels.

Most molecules can be either R or S depending on how they rotate polarized light. They can also be called L or D. The L in L-Glutamin is because of this.

Most molecules(I dont know if its all of them or just most) are only active in the body in the R form. The S form can be anything from inactive to harmfull. Regular ALA is a blend of R and S while R-ALA is only the R.
I guess you get the same amount of R-ALA by doubling the regular ALA dosage but the main question is if the S-ALA is just inactive or if its potentialy harmfull?

Look at this pic to se the difference betwen a S and a R molecule. Some chem buff can probably explain this better than me. I hate chemistry


Edit here is a good site that explains it way better than me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical...-_and_.28-.29-

[yodaddy]

i work at a vitamin shoppe looked for it..what section is it in?...hahaha
aminos?

[spittin' 'n cussin']

r does not stand for biotin added

[Project]

I believe the "r" indicates a specific isomer of the compound.

[juict]

you are correct...the r just designates the type of structural isomer it is......it has absolutley nothing to do with the added biotin

[chest6]

I never found R-ala to be effective at all. It seemed more useful when I was bulking and eating a lot more carbs than cutting.