Your thoughts - Educated Responses please

[CoreyTampa09]

What are your thoughts of a 19 year old who has his diet in check, training in check and is willing to sacrifice a bit of muscle mass to get rid of his remainging fat, primarily around his lower stomach, sides and lower back. The real question is what do you think of a Clen/T3 cycle in the liquid form for someone with the above criteria. Also if this cycle were to be used, would taking a form of Creatine help with muscle strength.

Also what are your thoughts of a 6 week cycle of Anavar. Would the least androgenic steroid tamper with ones levels that much, or would it be ok to take?

Thank you very much for whomever answers?

[IBdmfkr]

I think you're too young at 19 personally and should try doing it naturally so you don't begin to rely on the drugs at such a young age.. That being said, post up your diet in the Diet Forum for critiquing and lets see if it's really flawless. Remember to list your stats.

[CoreyTampa09]

Do you mean the anavar for being too young, or the clen/t3.

Basically my diet is an exact replica of the one in the cutting forum, with slight tweaks here and there. Once a week a cheat, I may go to the doctor though becuase I think naturally my body is off. Correct me if Im wrong but with one cheat meal I dont think I should gain 8 pounds in a weekend.

[IBdmfkr]

Check your scale. Also it would still help if you listed your diet in the appropriate forum with your stats.

19 is too young for anabolics IMO. How long have you been following this current diet? Results don't happen overnight.

[Anabolios]

sounds as though you arent very muscular and you are just trying to slim down...isopure is a good protein for cutting if you are looking for a shake post workout..i know you didnt mention this at all but its just some advice..maybe some creatine ethyl ester.....im not sure on the general idea of using clen at that age but id say it would be ok..leave the t3 out imo i think the only reason someone should be using any anabolic around your/our age is when their muscles have matured and they have gained a substantial amount of weight naturally...even then its something to question....var is very mild and will probably show little/no side effects and wont destroy your hpta...but as IBd said....no reason to start relying on drugs yet lol keep at that diet and cardio and post your stats as mentioned before there's a lot of advice and help around here take advantage of it (which you are doing now) lol

[CoreyTampa09]

Ive been lifting hard for about a year and a half now. Was previously very overweight 5'6 225 dropped down to 160 and then started lifting. I currently weigh 175 and Id consdier myself above average for muscularity in my age. I dont have pics but here are some stats.

Flat bench: 175/12 185/10 195/6 225/4 Max around 255
Incline Dumbell Press: 70/12 75/10 80/6
Bent over Barbell Rows: 135/12 145/10 155/8
Squat: 205/15 225/12 245/10 265/8 285/4
CloseGrip Bench: 135/12 145/10 155/8

I currently run 4-6 days a week 80 percent of the time on an empty stomach. My split is a 5 day with a rest after every 3rd day of lifting. Ive been cutting for 9 weeks now and have seen my weight go from 189 to 172 and now im anywhere between 175-178. Basically im trying to convert the rest of my fat into mass. Id say im anywhere between 14-16 percent bodyfat with most of it in my lower stomach,back region.

Im very dedicated with my deit, running and wont let little things get in my way.

Sample Diet:

10:00am - 4 egg white/1 whole egg omelette w/veggies 1 slice of low fat swiss and salsa.

1:00 - 8-10oz of chicken cutlets topped with salsa, can of string beans.

4:00 - PreWO Bowl of oats with 1 scoop of whey.

6:00 - PWO 2 scoops of Onn Whey blended with water,ice, whole banana and a bowl of oats.

7:30 - 8oz steak, veggies.

10:30 - Some form of protein, veggies

Before sleep, cottage cheese a tiny bit of natural PB cinnaman and Sweet n Low.

Im pretty sure it comes out in the form of 50/30/20 with my cals around 1900-2100

With all of this into consideration and not some 19 year old with 0 research and intelligence your picturing what do you now think?

[brutesinme]

why jump right into clen? If i were you i'd start with a good EC stack, throw in some green tea extract with that, and cut out the cheat meals for a month. sure 8 pounds is possible in a weekend (you said weekend right, now was it a cheat meal, or a cheat weekend) realizing of course that most of that 8 pounds is stored in water with the glycogen you just replenished. Take it from someone who has had to lose a lot of weight. It takes time. Don't rush it and foolishly jump into using harsh pharmaceuticals.

[Anabolios]

2100 calories? if you are looking to build muscle i dont think this is your answer...and i am 5'10 and pushing 195.... i rep 225/8 245/5 265/3 285=max you just need to keep at it for another year and a half not only because of your age and weight...but because of your time training...but congrats on the weight loss man

[IBdmfkr]

Agreed you need to find what "your" maintainance calories are sitting at. I am currently taking in 3600 calories from 95% foods, no supplements and maintaining weight. I'm 5'9 205lbs.
If I were to drop to 2800-3100calories I'm sure I'd start dropping Fat/LBM.
Play with your calorie intake a bit and stick with something consistantly for a month or two to see how you respond.

[CoreyTampa09]

Yeah not to confuse everybody who is trying to help me in making the right decision. I have taken an Eca stack for 3 weeks during my cut. And I just finished a short 2 week cycle of an EC stack with a 4 week break in between. I took NO Xplode for 2 1/2 weeks and realized it wasn't for me becuase I saw it as false results as well as a false image I was getting for an hour or two. Im not trying to build muscle as much as im trying to lean up. Once I get my BF% down and hopefully attain a more lean midsection I will Clean bulk because I know my body and im confident I can gain that weight pretty easily.

[IBdmfkr]

Just be careful not to sacrifice hard earned LBM while losing weight too quickly, goodluck.

[CoreyTampa09]

So wait whats your final verdict for me. Do you think I should try the T3/Clen cycle. Do you think with taking benadryl for a week to get my beta receptors up to par it will work. Or do you think the Clen will work fine by itself.

As for the Var do you think it would hurt me by doing a cycle now, or by waiting a year or two.

What other advice,supplements or foods I could add to my regiment that would help me with weight loss, appetite, lean look rather than a soft look.

I forgot to add I take about 15-20 grams of Flax and Fish Oil with my Pro/Fat meals.

[crash187ct]

5-6 days in the gym....did i read that correctly? and you rest where exactly?! once every 3 days? i may have read that wrong...but look into overtraining

[CoreyTampa09]

Ok lol I elaborate more not to confuse.

Monday - Am cardio PM Chest and abs
Tuesday - Am cardio PM Back/Traps
Wednesday - Am cardio PM legs
Thursday - off, but most likely ill end up playing ball or something
Friday - Am Cardio/abs PM Bis/Tris/Forearms
Saturday - am Cardio PM shoulders/calves
Sunday - off probally some cardio

[IBdmfkr]

My verdict is that you're much too anxious.. Stick with a routine/diet for a while and see how it works. Then make necessary adjustments.

You must set a goal to achieve it, you seem back and forth on what you want to accomplish. Why drop a bunch of weight if you're just want to gain it back. Try finding a happy medium on your diet so you can slowly build muscle and lean out a bit. You're 19, you have plenty of time.

[CoreyTampa09]

Yes I am very compulsive and anxious, this I am aware of. I just feel as if my stomach should be more leaned out and this pesky lower back and lovehandles are never going to go away.

My main question is do you think a Clen/T3 cycle would be foolish, or can it potentially help me and finally be happy with my body. I dont mind dropping the weight and putting it back on, I just want to be comfortable with my shirt off and be happy with all the dedication I put into it.

[IBdmfkr]

It seems you are fishing for an answer that doesn't exist. Each person you ask will have a different take on whether you should or shouldn't use clen/t3 to achieve your goals. That's something you'll have to figure out and live with, not us. If you do I suggest you research it and figure out if it's for you, but you already know my take on it.
I don't think at 19 it is necessary, Eat/Train/Rest are the three basics that must be mastered first.

[ODC0717]

Yes I am very compulsive and anxious, this I am aware of. I just feel as if my stomach should be more leaned out and this pesky lower back and lovehandles are never going to go away.

These are the last areas to get smaller/tigher when cutting. It just takes time bro.

My main question is do you think a Clen/T3 cycle would be foolish, or can it potentially help me and finally be happy with my body. I dont mind dropping the weight and putting it back on, I just want to be comfortable with my shirt off and be happy with all the dedication I put into it.

Yes, I do think clen and T3 would be foolish. If you run T3 w/o AAS you'll eat your muscles up quickly--not a good thing. Clen by itslef could aid in fatloss but it seems you want a drug that will do the work for you. My reccomendation is that you clean up your diet. Start eating more whole food, and less protein powder for starters. It's a common mistake, but, eventually you'll have to man up and ditch the protein as a 'meal' source of protein. lol. IMHO, powders are good AM, pre and post WO, and prior to bed. Other then that it's all chicken, steak, eggs and some fish if you wish.

Anavar only would be a bad choice for a first cycle. However, ANY CYCLE AT YOUR AGE WOULD BE A BAD CHOICE. Even a clen/T3. Fat loss can be accomplished without the use of AAS or ancillary drugs. Your only 19 bro, I'd hold off on the AAS for at least another couple of years.

[CoreyTampa09]

Thank you very much. I listed in only 1 meal I eat powder and thats in my PWO shake. If I ran Clen 2 weeks on 1 week off for 6 weeks with a strict regiment while on creatine do you think I can accomplish my goals?

[Giants11]

If anything bro I'd try to use a Topical Fat loss application such as Lipoderm Ultra. Check out Chest6's log. Works well for stubborn fat while you are in a caloric deficit.

Also here's my other concern. You've been dieting for quite some time on low cals. Your body can only take so much dieting. At some point the body will simply just begin to shut down and resist all weight loss. This can be partially avoided by carbing up and doing re-feeds. Is this a practive you are currenly employing?

[TADOLFI]

I think the creatine and the clen would be a waste of money at this point.
You are not working toward gaining any muscle and that is why creatine is a waste.
Take out the cheat meal for 8 weeks as suggested - so no clen needed if you are adjusting your diet.

If you don't start loosing the areas of extra fat after this - I like Giants11 suggestion - try that for a month.

And don't go by the pounds shown on the scale - use the mirror and take some pictures to compare before and after.

You can do this!
You'll look back and thank yourself for not jumping on the "what can I take" bandwagon.

Good luck brother.

[CoreyTampa09]

Well I dont do refeeds, normally my cheat meal consists of an abundance of sushi.....MmMm sushi. I think my night eating is also having an effect on my weight loss all though the things I eat at night are pretty much nothing, cottage cheese, salad with 0 calorie dressing and sugar free jello. Maybe I should try clean bulking for 6 weeks?