Ok, the show is still a good ways out, like 13 wks. I'm really narrowing in on this issue now, as it's what hurt me my last show. If my legs had matched my upper body there is no question that I would have kicked ass. Basically I think it's more fluid retention than anything. My legs are nothing to sneeze at, good sweep, strong(squat 500/10, leg press w/ 1300 lbs, etc etc) but the ****ers just dont cut up good. Even when my bodyfat was low as shit my legs just didnt come in good, so I'm almost positive its mad fluid retention. I even dropped the pressing 3 wks out. However, I was training them hard, I mean really hard!! Legs were twice/wk and my leg extensions were like sets of 40 and 50, lunges were insane, like 15 laps around a small track lunging, so maybe they refused to change because they were in such shock. They stayed sore as **** ALL THE TIME. So this time I figure I'm going to drop the legs to once/wk, and do more posing than pressing. Anybody else have stubborn legs? And what are some things that you do to get them to come in? Do you think I was overtraining them and thats why they didnt look so good?