fat burning does not equal fat loss

[blondmyth]

you guys are so concerned with this so called "fat burning" effect that takes place during and after cardio, but at the end of the day, cals consumed minus cals burned = fat loss or muscle gain.

i can be on a bulk diet and still do cardio and "burn" fat, but since at the end of the day Im still eating like 300-500 cals above maintenence, i sure as hell aint gonna be losing fat.

[SwoleCat]

First off, who are "you guys"? I'm not too fond of generalizations and inclusions.

Secondly, I don't agree, but I'd rather not get into it because there are concepts and complex procedures of timing and such that people will not comprehend.

~SC~

[Blitz777]

blond, I don't really like your avatar.

[toofatbuilder]

blond, I don't really like your avatar.

have you seen the movie? it has a great message behind it..... becides... Edward Norton never looked more pumped up in his life.... i doubt blond means anything by his avvy.

[Blitz777]

have you seen the movie? it has a great message behind it..... becides... Edward Norton never looked more pumped up in his life.... i doubt blond means anything by his avvy.

Yeah, I guess you are right I apologize. It is just that is the most violent scene in the movie, before his revelation I guess it is.

[timtim]

cals consumed minus cals burned = fat loss or muscle gain

this has been argued a million times. its not that simple. the type of calories matter more. if i eat 2000 calories of cookies and ice cream a day its not the same as 2000 clean calories. so calories consumed minus calories burned is not the end result.

[Kärnfysikern]

thanks for enlightening us. Your gems of wisdom is priceless for us pesants on this forum. Please teach us more if we are worthy.

[toofatbuilder]

this has been argued a million times. its not that simple. the type of calories matter more. if i eat 2000 calories of cookies and ice cream a day its not the same as 2000 clean calories. so calories consumed minus calories burned is not the end result.

aint that the truth. if it were id be lookin like SC

[daytrader]

thanks for enlightening us. Your gems of wisdom is priceless for us pesants on this forum. Please teach us more if we are worthy.

bwhahahahahhaha

[SwoleCat]

thanks for enlightening us. Your gems of wisdom is priceless for us pesants on this forum. Please teach us more if we are worthy.

~SC~

[sooners04]

I've been thinking about this statment for 24 hours and trying to give it a chance and think about HOW this makes any sense to anyone. I have yet to understand how burning something whether its fat, wood or paper would not eliminate that substance.

[BajanBastard]

You are wrong sir.

Fat and muscle are used as for storage in the body. If i my caloric intake for homeostasis is say 5000. I got up in the morning and did cardio burning say 500 kcals (protein is the last preferred fuel for ATP production) so most of the kcals burned are from fat, glycogen and sugar in the blood.(fat loss) During the day i followed a proper diet, high protein, moderate carbs (slow burning) and healthy fats consuming 5k plus the 500 kcals i burnt during the morning session.(muscle gains) Now its training time and i train (weights) 300kcal burnt again most from fat and blood 'sugar'(fat loss). My PWO meal (protein, simple sugar) replaces the kcals lost during training(muscle gain). So overall i consumed a bit above maintenance yet i'm losing fat and gaining a small degree of muscle at the same time.

This effect can be amplified by steroids and a very, very strict diet.

[SwoleCat]

Very good post!

~SC~

[bor]

You are wrong sir.

Fat and muscle are used as for storage in the body. If i my caloric intake for homeostasis is say 5000. I got up in the morning and did cardio burning say 500 kcals (protein is the last preferred fuel for ATP production) so most of the kcals burned are from fat, glycogen and sugar in the blood.(fat loss) During the day i followed a proper diet, high protein, moderate carbs (slow burning) and healthy fats consuming 5k plus the 500 kcals i burnt during the morning session.(muscle gains) Now its training time and i train (weights) 300kcal burnt again most from fat and blood 'sugar'(fat loss). My PWO meal (protein, simple sugar) replaces the kcals lost during training(muscle gain). So overall i consumed a bit above maintenance yet i'm losing fat and gaining a small degree of muscle at the same time.

This effect can be amplified by steroids and a very, very strict diet.

Great post

And at Johan

[slimsc]

thanks a ton B KIG... Very good read!!!

You are wrong sir.

Fat and muscle are used as for storage in the body. If i my caloric intake for homeostasis is say 5000. I got up in the morning and did cardio burning say 500 kcals (protein is the last preferred fuel for ATP production) so most of the kcals burned are from fat, glycogen and sugar in the blood.(fat loss) During the day i followed a proper diet, high protein, moderate carbs (slow burning) and healthy fats consuming 5k plus the 500 kcals i burnt during the morning session.(muscle gains) Now its training time and i train (weights) 300kcal burnt again most from fat and blood 'sugar'(fat loss). My PWO meal (protein, simple sugar) replaces the kcals lost during training(muscle gain). So overall i consumed a bit above maintenance yet i'm losing fat and gaining a small degree of muscle at the same time.

This effect can be amplified by steroids and a very, very strict diet.

[novastepp]

you guys are so concerned with this so called "fat burning" effect that takes place during and after cardio, but at the end of the day, cals consumed minus cals burned = fat loss or muscle gain.

i can be on a bulk diet and still do cardio and "burn" fat, but since at the end of the day Im still eating like 300-500 cals above maintenence, i sure as hell aint gonna be losing fat.

so if i restrict my calories i lose fat... and if I increase my caloric intake above my body's need i gain muscle...

great, well time to binge and get huge and ripped! i feel like i just pressed the easy button.

[blondmyth]

you guys are taking ot too seriously. ok, i meant eating CLEAN. there ya go!! if you eat clean with a perfect diet, proper cardio and proper weight training, then it ouldnt matter if you ate 300 cals carbs b4 cardio so long as at the end of the day you are in a state of caloric deficit. thats all Im saying.

[blondmyth]

You are wrong sir.

Fat and muscle are used as for storage in the body. If i my caloric intake for homeostasis is say 5000. I got up in the morning and did cardio burning say 500 kcals (protein is the last preferred fuel for ATP production) so most of the kcals burned are from fat, glycogen and sugar in the blood.(fat loss) During the day i followed a proper diet, high protein, moderate carbs (slow burning) and healthy fats consuming 5k plus the 500 kcals i burnt during the morning session.(muscle gains) Now its training time and i train (weights) 300kcal burnt again most from fat and blood 'sugar'(fat loss). My PWO meal (protein, simple sugar) replaces the kcals lost during training(muscle gain). So overall i consumed a bit above maintenance yet i'm losing fat and gaining a small degree of muscle at the same time.

This effect can be amplified by steroids and a very, very strict diet.
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hold on bro...are you saying your maintenace cal intake was 5000 BEFORE you added cardio and weights? please clarify

[blondmyth]

I've been thinking about this statment for 24 hours and trying to give it a chance and think about HOW this makes any sense to anyone. I have yet to understand how burning something whether its fat, wood or paper would not eliminate that substance.


sooner, you are right in that burning something eliminates that substance, at least for a while brother!! but think about it my friend, if this were possible, as big klg believes, that is, simultaneous fat loss and muscle gain, then why does EVERY SINGLE competitive bodybuilder go thru a PRECONTEST period then?? huh?? ah yes, i remember now my brothers, becasue HE HAS GAINED AT LEAST SOME FAT!!! there, it is out of my system now. if this fat loss and muscle gain was possible, then wouldnt you think some guys would actually try to apply it??? no offense mates (sooner and big klg) but you fellows have fallen off the deep end my brothers!!

[Giants11]

Ummm. I think that it is implied that you are in a caloric deficit when you are cutting.

Therefore the fat buring effect ensures that you a directly utilizing fat as fuel.

Its not really hard, its quite simple.

[Mizfit]

He must be female this man makes no sense..

He must b e driving himself insane trying to rationalize this...

[blondmyth]

yes you are right giants 11, but i was speaking of being in a caloric surplus mate.

[blondmyth]

if one is calorically deprived, then there is no possible way to gain muscle at the same time, as sooner believes, or big klg. this is b/c there are no spare calories to build the muscle. simply really mates!!

cheers

[Kärnfysikern]

if one is calorically deprived, then there is no possible way to gain muscle at the same time, as sooner believes, or big klg. this is b/c there are no spare calories to build the muscle. simply really mates!!

cheers

I guess I have to got and tell Kevin Levrone he is doing something impossible each time he competed and that he should stop imidietly

Not to mention I have myself pulled of that trick just about every time I cut.

[Kärnfysikern]

There is a world of difference in how the body process 100 kcal from fat or 100kcal from protein.

Its NOT just about kcal. The body se one gram of protein, not 4kcal.

If it was all about kcal we could be drinking liqour and gain muscle. To bad it cant be that fun

[Giants11]

if one is calorically deprived, then there is no possible way to gain muscle at the same time, as sooner believes, or big klg. this is b/c there are no spare calories to build the muscle. simply really mates!!

cheers

With Anabolics you can, this is one of Primo's greatest feats.

However I do agree with you that putting muscle on while dieting is not possible, aside from peopel who are jsut starting in the fitness game.

[SwoleCat]

Is everyone having fun here?

~SC~

[Kärnfysikern]

Is everyone having fun here?

~SC~

Not me. Im just thankfull for the free education

[Quil]

This is actually one of the better threads I've read in a while. Continue, please.

[afi86ed]

holy, confusing crap..
can someone simplify this in a statement that can be agreed upon by
all the builders here,(with experience)?
just a side note but, i tend to take advice from the one's that actually
have the means to back up what they say.. so..(practice what you preach)

[TADOLFI]

I think that's a good second post!

And what I've learned echos Bajan's reply.
And he even put it plain English for everyone to understand.

Johan - Your timing with your responses was dead on.
Thanks!

[Kärnfysikern]

Johan - Your timing with your responses was dead on.