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    Steroids and Pregnancy

    Guys I have 23 years old been juicing big time since I was 18, I never had problems with getting erections and I always ejeculate even 4 times a day when I get a girl, I started my cycle 2 weeks ago 1gram of omnadren a week plus 100mg of dbol a day Iwill add 1gram of equipose when it arrive, my last 3 month cycle was heavy too but I did a good pct and kept most of my gains, but now I was trying to get my girl pregnant for the 4th time in a row but she aint pregnant, is it the problem with the steroids? Steroid user cant get a girl pregnant while he his using?
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    im just guessing but if your balls and shrunkena nd your hpta is shut down i dont think your produce sperm or live sperm im just guessing though thats not based on anything scientific

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    My balls are ok I never noticed anything shrinking

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    maybe you havent had any shrinkage but i personally dsont notice anything my girl does though i feel like my balls are the same size and then on pct they get really huge really fast in comparison so i dont notice cause its so gradual, this may not be the case for you though

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    Fist off why would you wont to get her preg when your on gear. That right there is fuc-ing dumb. next is how do you know it's you. Hes she been to the obgyn to get check out?

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    do a sperm test to see if the seeds are there and swimming right.
    i did, and the docter had some shocking news for me.
    only 3 million a cc, and thats not much!!!
    but 6 months later got my girl pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    Fist off why would you wont to get her preg when your on gear. That right there is fuc-ing dumb. next is how do you know it's you. Hes she been to the obgyn to get check out?
    Whats the problem with that man? why do you say its dumb?????please explain....

    Anyways, to Acazores, I say: get a fertility test done...I beleive you can buy em off from the local pharmacy (its like the clear blue pregnancy test) or better still, get an appointment with yr doc, and have him run tests... I have had (that is conceived) both my sons while on cycle...never had an issue with that....your partner might want to get herself checked as well...beleive me it saves you both a lot of frustrations...coz u'll get to a point where sex looses its "taste" so to speak and becomes stressed bcoz of the baby thing...i.e sex will become a race to get her pregnant...

    on another note, you might want to drop yr dbol intake....100mg ED sounds a little exagerated and will do your liver no good...if you get a kid, you wana be there for him/her for some time no?

    good luck...

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    Well dumb or not it would be much easier trying to get her pregnant while you are off cycle..during pct..etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Othello
    Whats the problem with that man? why do you say its dumb?????please explain....

    Anyways, to Acazores, I say: get a fertility test done...I beleive you can buy em off from the local pharmacy (its like the clear blue pregnancy test) or better still, get an appointment with yr doc, and have him run tests... I have had (that is conceived) both my sons while on cycle...never had an issue with that....your partner might want to get herself checked as well...beleive me it saves you both a lot of frustrations...coz u'll get to a point where sex looses its "taste" so to speak and becomes stressed bcoz of the baby thing...i.e sex will become a race to get her pregnant...

    on another note, you might want to drop yr dbol intake....100mg ED sounds a little exagerated and will do your liver no good...if you get a kid, you wana be there for him/her for some time no?

    good luck...
    I belive that you should be 100% clean before trying to conceive a child. this will eliminate and chace of birth complication. I dont like the unown.

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    couple things:

    first, from my understanding, it's highly unlikely to get a girl pregnant while on...European countries, from what i've "heard", use testosterone supplemenatation for HRT, but also as a birth-control method for men

    *looked around a bit*

    Stereological Evaluation of Human Spermatogenesis after Suppression by Testosterone Treatment: Heterogeneous Pattern of Spermatogenic Impairment1
    Yang Zhengwei, Nigel G. Wreford, Peter Royce, David M. de Kretser and Robert I. McLachlan
    Prince Henry’s Institute of Medical Research (Y.Z., R.I.M.) and the Institute of Reproduction and Development (N.G.W., D.M.d.K.), Monash Medical Center, and the Department of Anatomy, Monash University (N.G.W.), Clayton, Victoria 3168; and the Department of Surgery, Monash University, Inner and Eastern Health Care Group, Alfred Hospital (P.R.), Prahran 3181, Australia

    Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Dr. R. I. McLachlan, Prince Henry’s Institute of Medical Research, P.O. Box 5152, Clayton, Victoria 3168, Australia. E-mail: [email protected].

    Abstract

    Testosterone (T) treatment suppresses gonadotropin levels in normal men and is a promising reversible contraceptive that induces azoospermia in approximately 70% of subjects and oligospermia in the remainder; however, the basis of this variable response is unclear. This study aimed to investigate this reported variable response by examining the spermatogenic process and quantitating germ cell number in men after T-induced gonadotropin withdrawal. Ten normal fertile men (31–46 yr), already planning to undergo vasectomy, either received T enanthate (200 mg, im, weekly) for 19–24 weeks (n = 5; TE group) or proceeded directly to surgery (n = 5; controls), at which time a unilateral testicular biopsy was taken, and germ cell numbers were estimated using the optical disector stereological method. In response to TE treatment, serum T levels rose 2-fold, and FSH/LH levels became undetectable. Sperm counts fell to azoospermia in 4 men and to 21 million/mL in the fifth man. The mean number of type A spermatogonia per 100 Sertoli cells was unchanged, but type B spermatogonia fell markedly to 10% of the control values, and later germ cell types decreased to 11–18% of the control values. The pattern of germ cell suppression varied widely and showed no relationship with sperm count or the time to azoospermia. Despite the presence of elongated spermatids (1.4–20% of the control), four men remained azoospermic. Two TE subjects with similar early germ cell complements and elongated spermatid numbers had sperm counts of zero and 21 million/mL; the latter man demonstrated marked variability in germ cell numbers between adjacent tubules. We conclude that 1) the principal spermatogenic lesion in TE-treated men is the marked (90%) inhibition of type AB spermatogonial maturation. Other sites are also affected, particularly the release and/or survival of elongated spermatids during transit; and 2) a steady state in germ cell number may not be established even after 4–5 months of TE treatment. The findings suggest that TE treatment does not adequately or consistently withdraw hormonal support for spermatogenesis, leading to variable between- and within-individual patterns of germ cell suppression.

    that means you can get pregnant while on! had to clarify, seems some didn't realize what that concluded

    secondly, i've never seen any documented evidence supporting the claim that you will have retarted, ten-legged children if you get a girl pregnant while "on"...

    *more poking around*

    Pregnancies associated with sperm concentrations below 10 million/ml in clinical studies of a potential male contraceptive method, monthly depot medroxyprogesterone acetate and testosterone esters.

    Barfield A, Melo J, Coutinho E, Alvarez-Sanchez F, Faundes A, Brache V, Leon P, Frick J, Bartsch G, Weiske WH, Brenner P, Mishell D Jr, Bernstein G, Ortiz A.

    A potential male contraceptive approach was evaluated in clinical trials involving monthly injections of depot medroxyprogesterone acetate and either subdermal implants of testosterone propionate or monthly injections of testosterone enanthate. Pregnancies occurred in partners of 9 men with recent sperm counts of 10 million/ml or below. In 5 of the 9 instances, the sperm counts were less than 1 million/ml. It appears that male contraceptive methods involving spermatogenic suppression may require attainment and maintenance of azoospermia. The pregnancy rate cannot be calculated, because the extent of other contraceptive use is uncertain. There were no spontaneous abortions. 6 pregnancies were carried to term, and all progeny were normal, based on physical examination at birth or 3 months after birth.


    i've seen Arnold's kids, and Hogan's, and they look fine to me...however, i would also say it's not worth the risk, and would simply give it as much time "off" as you can possibly stand, which in this case, since you're talking about another life, should be as long as necessary. someone else probably mentioned speaking with a doctor on this issue...sounds good to me.

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    i know this guy that had a kid on gear his boy is 3 and looks like hes 6 and he climbs the rope in their house with no legs every day and picks up all this shit 2x his size, at 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by one8nine
    i know this guy that had a kid on gear his boy is 3 and looks like hes 6 and he climbs the rope in their house with no legs every day and picks up all this shit 2x his size, at 3
    better have him tested for juice, lol

    anyways, juice or no juice - some ppl have a harder time getting pregnant than others. My friend has been trying for over a year, my wife stop her birth control for 2 wks and we got pregnant - and yes I was on 60mg dbol when that happened. Doc says he is perfectly healthy, strong heart beat, perfect brain development - 5 more wks until he is here

    My advise to you would be to decide what is more important to you, juice or a family - if you are that concerned I would stop the gear get back to normal and try to start a family - if not keep using gear and wonder if that is what is causing it. Not to mention the added stress from both you and your girl may be hampering your attempts.

    anyways, best of luck and I pray you will be able to experience the joy of knowing you will have a child - it truely is a blessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one8nine
    i know this guy that had a kid on gear his boy is 3 and looks like hes 6 and he climbs the rope in their house with no legs every day and picks up all this shit 2x his size, at 3
    thanks, i just fell outta my chair...too funny...wait, that was a joke, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by one8nine
    i know this guy that had a kid on gear his boy is 3 and looks like hes 6 and he climbs the rope in their house with no legs every day and picks up all this shit 2x his size, at 3
    So conceiving while on gear makes your kid have super strength as a toddler...interesting

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    please re-read my earlier post...has been edited with published studies...if ya care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxxr
    I belive that you should be 100% clean before trying to conceive a child. this will eliminate and chace of birth complication. I dont like the unown.
    i agree...i wouldnt wanna see my girl taking shot or smokin weed while she is carrying a child..not the same by any means but as stated...its the unknown its not fair if in a rare chance something happened to that child because of steroids while it was conceived

    so for what its worth im co-signing this

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    Bang her lots during pct. I got my girl preg. during pct last year. She is due next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMaus
    do a sperm test to see if the seeds are there and swimming right.
    i did, and the docter had some shocking news for me.
    only 3 million a cc, and thats not much!!!
    but 6 months later got my girl pregnant.
    Been there done that! I had 980,000 per ml. To be considered normal range they want like 20 million per ml.

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    my youngest was concieved while i was on deca and test, shes 2 now and can press more than me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavinco
    Bang her lots during pct. I got my girl preg. during pct last year. She is due next month.
    my wife is due 8/09 - congrats bro, best of luck!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rock75
    my wife is due 8/09 - congrats bro, best of luck!!
    8-18 here. It's a girl! Rock on bro!

    Here's a pic from may.

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    You could try running some HCG. PM me for details
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
    couple things:

    first, from my understanding, it's highly unlikely to get a girl pregnant while on...European countries, from what i've "heard", use testosterone supplemenatation for HRT, but also as a birth-control method for men

    *looked around a bit*

    Stereological Evaluation of Human Spermatogenesis after Suppression by Testosterone Treatment: Heterogeneous Pattern of Spermatogenic Impairment1
    Yang Zhengwei, Nigel G. Wreford, Peter Royce, David M. de Kretser and Robert I. McLachlan
    Prince Henry’s Institute of Medical Research (Y.Z., R.I.M.) and the Institute of Reproduction and Development (N.G.W., D.M.d.K.), Monash Medical Center, and the Department of Anatomy, Monash University (N.G.W.), Clayton, Victoria 3168; and the Department of Surgery, Monash University, Inner and Eastern Health Care Group, Alfred Hospital (P.R.), Prahran 3181, Australia

    Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Dr. R. I. McLachlan, Prince Henry’s Institute of Medical Research, P.O. Box 5152, Clayton, Victoria 3168, Australia. E-mail: [email protected].

    Abstract

    Testosterone (T) treatment suppresses gonadotropin levels in normal men and is a promising reversible contraceptive that induces azoospermia in approximately 70% of subjects and oligospermia in the remainder; however, the basis of this variable response is unclear. This study aimed to investigate this reported variable response by examining the spermatogenic process and quantitating germ cell number in men after T-induced gonadotropin withdrawal. Ten normal fertile men (31–46 yr), already planning to undergo vasectomy, either received T enanthate (200 mg, im, weekly) for 19–24 weeks (n = 5; TE group) or proceeded directly to surgery (n = 5; controls), at which time a unilateral testicular biopsy was taken, and germ cell numbers were estimated using the optical disector stereological method. In response to TE treatment, serum T levels rose 2-fold, and FSH/LH levels became undetectable. Sperm counts fell to azoospermia in 4 men and to 21 million/mL in the fifth man. The mean number of type A spermatogonia per 100 Sertoli cells was unchanged, but type B spermatogonia fell markedly to 10% of the control values, and later germ cell types decreased to 11–18% of the control values. The pattern of germ cell suppression varied widely and showed no relationship with sperm count or the time to azoospermia. Despite the presence of elongated spermatids (1.4–20% of the control), four men remained azoospermic. Two TE subjects with similar early germ cell complements and elongated spermatid numbers had sperm counts of zero and 21 million/mL; the latter man demonstrated marked variability in germ cell numbers between adjacent tubules. We conclude that 1) the principal spermatogenic lesion in TE-treated men is the marked (90%) inhibition of type AB spermatogonial maturation. Other sites are also affected, particularly the release and/or survival of elongated spermatids during transit; and 2) a steady state in germ cell number may not be established even after 4–5 months of TE treatment. The findings suggest that TE treatment does not adequately or consistently withdraw hormonal support for spermatogenesis, leading to variable between- and within-individual patterns of germ cell suppression.

    secondly, i've never seen any documented evidence supporting the claim that you will have retarted, ten-legged children if you get a girl pregnant while "on"...

    *more poking around*

    Pregnancies associated with sperm concentrations below 10 million/ml in clinical studies of a potential male contraceptive method, monthly depot medroxyprogesterone acetate and testosterone esters.

    Barfield A, Melo J, Coutinho E, Alvarez-Sanchez F, Faundes A, Brache V, Leon P, Frick J, Bartsch G, Weiske WH, Brenner P, Mishell D Jr, Bernstein G, Ortiz A.

    A potential male contraceptive approach was evaluated in clinical trials involving monthly injections of depot medroxyprogesterone acetate and either subdermal implants of testosterone propionate or monthly injections of testosterone enanthate. Pregnancies occurred in partners of 9 men with recent sperm counts of 10 million/ml or below. In 5 of the 9 instances, the sperm counts were less than 1 million/ml. It appears that male contraceptive methods involving spermatogenic suppression may require attainment and maintenance of azoospermia. The pregnancy rate cannot be calculated, because the extent of other contraceptive use is uncertain. There were no spontaneous abortions. 6 pregnancies were carried to term, and all progeny were normal, based on physical examination at birth or 3 months after birth.


    i've seen Arnold's kids, and Hogan's, and they look fine to me...however, i would also say it's not worth the risk, and would simply give it as much time "off" as you can possibly stand, which in this case, since you're talking about another life, should be as long as necessary. someone else probably mentioned speaking with a doctor on this issue...sounds good to me.

    alpha
    Alpha, I respect your research, but during a cycle, u dont only take test...u do HCG, Proviron...and both cater for fertility and hypogonadism that exogenous test may induce...plus, I am 10000% sure the kids are mine hehehehe....so between the studies you quoted and my certitude that they are mine, i go for the latter
    I totally agree as to the respect due to another life and not taking chances etc...and I would not do it on purpose anyways...but thank god, all ended up just fine...would I on purpose go for number 3 while on? no...would I refrain from sex while on hell no might take precautions...but u cant be 1000% sure all the time...and accidents do happen...

    as to the kids coming out with super strength and whatnot (as was posted in later replies), I cant say i noticed this...strength in kids is genetic i beleive...and as far as I know, there has been no study or anecdotal evidence that links genetic mutations with AAS usage...

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    help me understand what it is exactly that you're debating...not argumentative, i really couldn't pick it up...sorry

    i think the original debate was could i get my girl pregnant while on, and then would my baby be a circus freak...i realize that we take additional compounds while, most of us at least, but i spent about two minutes finding some generalized articles...but again, tell me what it was that you didn't agree with...thanks

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    Yes you can get your girl pregnant while on-I have have two boys(with a third on the way-conceived pre-cycle ), both perfectly normal, both obviously mine and both concieved when on cycle. There has never been any studies showing a link between AAS and birth defects because AAS are non-genotoxic, as shown by the studies alpha male quoted. Test can act as natural contraceptive due to higher stest levels stopping spermatogenesis, but it is not even close to 100% this is why it has never been widely used. As to your original question ACAZORES, it may take more than a few tries, many couples try for years with perfectly healthy normal reproductive systems with no luck, most require a few months of trying, so don't get all freaked out, just enjoy the practice sessions. And if you are serious about having a child, quit the cycle to increase your odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-Male


    help me understand what it is exactly that you're debating...not argumentative, i really couldn't pick it up...sorry

    i think the original debate was could i get my girl pregnant while on, and then would my baby be a circus freak...i realize that we take additional compounds while, most of us at least, but i spent about two minutes finding some generalized articles...but again, tell me what it was that you didn't agree with...thanks
    ROFL...all I was saying is that yes you can get a girl pregnant while on gear and no the kid will not necessarily come out as a circus freak...at least speaking from experience...you then went on to doubt that getting a girl pregnant was possible since test is being used in some countries as a contraceptive...and I argued that one could use proviron and pregnyl (HcG) to counter balance these effects... so therefore while on Test, if u r taking proviron and Hcg, there is a possibility to et yr wife/GF pregnant...thats all...

    now I am not saying there are absolutely no risks for the kids...but I found no evidence whatsoever,plus I was lucky enough I guess neither of my 2 boys had any effects...

    peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by one8nine
    i know this guy that had a kid on gear his boy is 3 and looks like hes 6 and he climbs the rope in their house with no legs every day and picks up all this shit 2x his size, at 3
    I have a nephew that is 12 and is 5'11'' 170 and his dad never juiced and is only about 5'8''. Some kids are just freaks.

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    Acazores no offence bro but u notice no atrophy while on grams of androgens?
    Now as the other guys said stay clean for a period bro and then see what happens, u can also take your gf to a doc to check her too.Maybe she's got some fertility issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Othello
    ROFL...all I was saying is that yes you can get a girl pregnant while on gear and no the kid will not necessarily come out as a circus freak...at least speaking from experience...you then went on to doubt that getting a girl pregnant was possible since test is being used in some countries as a contraceptive...and I argued that one could use proviron and pregnyl (HcG) to counter balance these effects... so therefore while on Test, if u r taking proviron and Hcg, there is a possibility to et yr wife/GF pregnant...thats all...
    see, this is what happens when you don't read EVERY post...the studies i posted show that a) yes, you can get pregnant while on, and b) you can have healthy babies while on...

    sorry i didn't clarify, i often assume people read the blabbering scientific evidence that i post...

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    I, like others on here have said, have had 2 children while on fairly heavy cycles. Those cycles included tren too. Each time my wife was pregnant within a month of trying. With our second baby my wife never even got her first period she got pregnant so fast, she was breastfeeding. I really think the whole sterility issue is overblown, at least from my personal experience and from what Ive seen others post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
    thanks, i just fell outta my chair...too funny...wait, that was a joke, right?
    no i was serious this girl i have known for a while was dating him but she had to dump him cause he had ROID RAGES go figure

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    Quote Originally Posted by one8nine
    no i was serious this girl i have known for a while was dating him but she had to dump him cause he had ROID RAGES go figure
    No he had a mantel disorder. That as nothing to do with roids.

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    there is not a single known peice of evidence that suggests anythin wrong with any children conceived whilst using steroids,as for the highly unlikely to get someone pregnant whilst "on" my wife has fallen pregnant with two of my four children whilst i have been on a cycle........................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha-Male
    see, this is what happens when you don't read EVERY post...the studies i posted show that a) yes, you can get pregnant while on, and b) you can have healthy babies while on...

    sorry i didn't clarify, i often assume people read the blabbering scientific evidence that i post...

    I do but its like later on...actually I print out all the interresting studies and take home to file...plus leave a copy on my laptop for future reference...so I kinda read the stuff afterwards...when replying I glimpse thru...

    anyways no bad...

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    Sperm carries your genetic imprint. If you abuse your body with smoking and are threfore less healthy, you will very likely pass on the predisposition to weak lungs and all other related sides to your children. By this same line of logic you may be able to pass on a pre-diposition to unfavourable cholesterol levels, weakened liver, lowered testicular function, or even lowered slowed or sub-normal secondary sexual develoment.... I'm sue there are other things as well. Anabolic steroids alter your genetic capabilities. Is it really worth taking the chance.
    None of what I have written is based on scientific evidence, but the logical leap is not difficult. I suggest you proceed very carefully.

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    It must vary from person to person, as I put on huge gains from my cycle(so I know it wasnt bunk) and got my girl pregnant twice while cycling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by poshjoss
    Sperm carries your genetic imprint. If you abuse your body with smoking and are threfore less healthy, you will very likely pass on the predisposition to weak lungs and all other related sides to your children. By this same line of logic you may be able to pass on a pre-diposition to unfavourable cholesterol levels, weakened liver, lowered testicular function, or even lowered slowed or sub-normal secondary sexual develoment.... I'm sue there are other things as well. Anabolic steroids alter your genetic capabilities. Is it really worth taking the chance.
    None of what I have written is based on scientific evidence, but the logical leap is not difficult. I suggest you proceed very carefully.
    This leap of logic is very faulty. For any trait to be passed on there has to be this information imprinted on the donated chromosomes form either parent. Since AAS are considered non-genotoxic, meaning they cause no alteration to chromosomes, there would be no alteration/defect to pass on. Besides, if the government could find any fuking way possible to say steroids cause birth defects you know they would, and if those haters can't come up with even a flimsy link there simply isn't a link to be found.

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    The Logic is not faulty nor is it obvious. People recover from the use of anabolic steroids and I am in no way saying the actual steroids are passed on. My point which you have chosen to ignore is that if you make your system predisposed to any weakness with substance abuse you will effect a change to your genetic imprint because that is who you are. A substance does not have to be genotoxic to cause health problems in a parent, it merely has to disrupt one or many of the bodies systems. My point is that while genes and children are extermely resilient (crack addict mothers often pass no side effects to their children in utero), I suggest that to give your children the best start you can in life keep your system as clean and healthy as possible when trying to conceive. Why make life difficult for the sake of bigger muscles. Not anti-steroids, just trying to be responsible to the unborn. Fair enough?

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    Ive noticed when im juicing with tren that my cum comes out clumpy. And after about 2 months it comes back to normal. I dont think i can get a girl pregnant with clumpy cum.

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    ^^^^^^^^^clumpy Cum^^^^^^^^^^ Rotflmfao!!!!!!

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