What is better for muscle gains and fat loss?

[ryan9101]

I am doing another cycle (#4) starting in early November. I am thinking about doing some HGH but with no juice. I would run about 5ius 5 on 2 off for 6 months. BUT here is my question

Would I gain more weight and muscle mass of of an HGH only cycle or a cycle of Test, tren, eq, and anadrol? I am doing one or the other but I dont know how good HGH is by itself and I dont want to spend over 2500. Thanks.

[Ufa]

If you are on cycle # 4 you should know that GH will only help you heal. May help your muscles build back quicker. At 28 you have plenty of GH allready.
Nothing will make muscle mass like the aas you mentioned. Good luck!

[SMAN12b]

HGH is good, but no way better than AAS for building. You would need to stay on HGH for longer than 6 months to really see the benifits, and they will NOT produce the same results as a Test cycle!!!

I use HGH in conjunction WITH an AAS cycle!

[spywizard]

Diet/rest/exercise/supplementation..

in that order.. good luck..

[Ufa]

SMAN -- how's the new tattoo?

[ryan9101]

Thanks. I hope its not a dumb question, but either way before I spend that type of money I need to make sure its money well spent.

[Ufa]

It's a dam good question. Especially with all the GH hype. Don't get me wrong I take GH but I'm 55. I'm running on low GH naturally so I get great beneifits.
At 28, GH would be at the bottom of the list. Good luck with your decisions.

[cfiler]

Thanks. I hope its not a dumb question, but either way before I spend that type of money I need to make sure its money well spent.

Go with the aas.

[SMAN12b]

SMAN -- how's the new tattoo?

Healing nicely Ufa, thanks.


And as Ufa said not a dumb question at all. But I think you would benifit much better with a good ole AAS cycle!!

[taiboxa]

Diet/rest/exercise/supplementation..

in that order.. good luck..

exactomondo

[marcus300]

Gh at them levels will not build muscle mass,

spywizard answered your question.

[Kale]

Healing nicely Ufa, thanks.


And as Ufa said not a dumb question at all. But I think you would benifit much better with a good ole AAS cycle!!

Where are the pics honey ?

[SMAN12b]

Where are the pics honey ?

You must have missed it. Here you go


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=fresh+ink

[magic32]

exactomondo

Nice quote, Fonzie!

M.

[ryan9101]

Ok guys here is what I have decided tell me what you think!!

WEEKS:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/day
1-5 Anadrol 100mg/day
1-16 Test E 750mg
1-15 Deca 400mg
1-15 EQ 600mg
11-18 Tbol 60mg/day
Proper PCT

[SMAN12b]

Ok guys here is what I have decided tell me what you think!!

WEEKS:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/day
1-5 Anadrol 100mg/day
1-16 Test E 750mg
1-15 Deca 400mg
1-15 EQ 600mg
11-18 Tbol 60mg/day
Proper PCT

Seems like a lot of overkill to me

Don't think you need BOTH Prop and Anadrol to kickstart
I would stop the deca week 14
13 weeks of orals sounds too harsh for my tastes, but....
Thats JMHO

[ryan9101]

How about I run the anadrol for only 4 weeks then, and stop the deca at week 14?

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

How about I run the anadrol for only 4 weeks then, and stop the deca at week 14?

Like SMAN said, drol AND prop seems like overkill..personally I would drop both and use d-bol (40-50mg ED) for 4-5 wks instead...cuz drol can really f**k you up mentally,emotionally and appetite-wise and running prop is redundant since you already have test (AND it would spare you becoming a human pin cushion)...

furthermore, take either deca OR EQ IMO (you can up the dosage to compensate) ... leave EQ for the cutting..really helps with the vascularity, definition and muscle preservation.....just my 2 cents bro

cheers

[onehundredk]

Ok guys here is what I have decided tell me what you think!!

WEEKS:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/day
1-5 Anadrol 100mg/day
1-16 Test E 750mg
1-15 Deca 400mg
1-15 EQ 600mg
11-18 Tbol 60mg/day
Proper PCT

I think im confused..in your thread title, it says, whats best for gains and fat loss...ok theres a cycle there..then you say you want to gain more weight and mass...ok thats a different cycle..
the test
why run test prop and test ethan?...pick one...i like ethanate personally...but for cutting you want a water based...if your lookin for mass...youll want test cyph, or test ethan....
the orals
from my understanding anadrol has similar effects of dbol...which i do have experience with...dbol causes alot of water retention in the muscle, which in fact will give you the mass...the tbol i dont know anything on, so im not gonna comment..but i see this oral used in cutting cycles
the gear
EQ and deca is very similar...in a matter afact...almost the same, but totally different...EQ is more of a cutter, pulls out more lean muscle and doesnt hold water....deca is for bulking, this does hold water in your muscles and give you more of a MASS look..
proper pct
this is where you would take your clomid. dependin on what testosterone you were using you want to wait 14-18 days after last injection...take 100mg/ed for the first week, and the next 3 weeks 50mg/ed (this is what works for me, your body could be different)

my recommendation

if you want to just get as big as possible, run this(doses are high, assuming you have taken gear before)

week1-16= test ethan@ 500mg 2x weekly [1g week]
week1-14= deca@ 600mg weekly [600mg week]
week10-16= masteron@ 100mg eod [~350mg week] *OPTIONAL*
week1-4= Dbol@ 50mg everday [350mg week] *OPTIONAL*


***yes i know test should be 100mg higher than deca, but i feel since test has a low androgen rate of 100, i feel you should have a high dose of test if you want full effects***

or if you want to lean out...which i havent yet taken a cycle for leaning you could take winstrol, eq, trenabol....all of those promote lean muscle and fat loss..test prop would be what you would want to take for cutting.

hoped i help...

[onehundredk]

forgot...you will also want to take anti estrogen

in my cycles i use nolvadex- 25mg every day from the day i start, to the day i start pct

for pct i use clomid-
week 1- 100mg everyday
week2-4 50mg everday

[taiboxa]

IN CAPS BUB...

I think im confused..in your thread title, it says, whats best for gains and fat loss...ok theres a cycle there..then you say you want to gain more weight and mass...ok thats a different cycle..
the test
why run test prop and test ethan?...pick one...i like ethanate personally...but for cutting you want a water based...if your lookin for mass...youll want test cyph, or test ethan....
TEST IS TEST, HE IS USING PROP AS A JUMPSTART/FRONTLOAD TO GET THE TEST UP AND KICKING FASTER AND HARDER
THE RESULTS FROM TESTE VS TESTP ARE PRACTICALLY THE SAME THE MASS YOUR SPEAKING OF IS WATER RETENTION AND IS NOT CONSIDERED "MASS" BY MOST
the orals
from my understanding anadrol has similar effects of dbol...which i do have experience with...dbol causes alot of water retention in the muscle, which in fact will give you the mass...the tbol i dont know anything on, so im not gonna comment..but i see this oral used in cutting cycles
ANADROL AND DBOL ARE QUITE DIFFERENT BUT I WONT GO INTO DETAIL ON THIS, BUT YES WATER RETENTION DOES OCCUR ON BOTH.
the gear
EQ and deca is very similar...in a matter afact...almost the same, but totally different...EQ is more of a cutter, pulls out more lean muscle and doesnt hold water....deca is for bulking, this does hold water in your muscles and give you more of a MASS look..
NO THEY ARE NOT SIMILAR BY ANY MEANS EQ IS MILDELY SUPPRESSIVE AND EXTREMLY WEAK WHILE DECCA IS A 19NOR COMPOUND WHICH IS EXTREMELY SUPPRESSIVE AND MUCH MUCH STRONGER.
proper pct
this is where you would take your clomid. dependin on what testosterone you were using you want to wait 14-18 days after last injection...take 100mg/ed for the first week, and the next 3 weeks 50mg/ed (this is what works for me, your body could be different)
CLOMID IS NOT IDEAL ANYMORE NOLVA/HCG/AROMASIN ARE THE MOST IDEAL COMBO
my recommendation

if you want to just get as big as possible, run this(doses are high, assuming you have taken gear before)

week1-16= test ethan@ 500mg 2x weekly [1g week]
week1-14= deca@ 600mg weekly [600mg week]
week10-16= masteron@ 100mg eod [~350mg week] *OPTIONAL*
week1-4= Dbol@ 50mg everday [350mg week] *OPTIONAL*


***yes i know test should be 100mg higher than deca, but i feel since test has a low androgen rate of 100, i feel you should have a high dose of test if you want full effects***
NO TEST DOESNT HAVE TO BE HIGHER THAN DECA IS JUST HAS TO BE HIGH ENOUGH TO REPLACE THE SUPPRESSION OF THE ENDOGENOUS PRODUCITON OF TEST.

or if you want to lean out...which i havent yet taken a cycle for leaning you could take winstrol, eq, trenabol....all of those promote lean muscle and fat loss..test prop would be what you would want to take for cutting.
BTW U KAN CUT ON ANY CYCLE ITS ALL DIET DEPENDENT.

hoped i help...