Var+Winstrol

[Metalshredder_25]

I'd like to spend about 6 weeks on Anavar+Winstrol and drop a couple %bf while still gaining muscle and strength,has anyone used just these two together and had any success and if so what levels of each were you using.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I did a tbol/var cycle this summer and now I'm taking winstrol. For anavar to do anything at all you have to use it at atleast 60mgs+ to get any gains whatsoeva. I'm seeing magic happen at 60mgs of winstrol.

So 60/60 would be good, or 60var/50win.....whatever you want to go with.

[Hellmaskbanned]

By the way what are your stats?

[Alpha-Male]

if they have, they'll likely not admit it here...

depending on your cycle history, which you should always post of course (to help people better address your question/problem), you may, or may not, get what you need from a var/winny only run...however, will i dare say you won't see shit? again, depends on your diet mostly, then your training regimen...and before you say "my diet is down-packed", go post it in the diet forum and find out

regardless, i wouldn't advise running winny much longer than 6 weeks or so, and the var, eh, i dunno, i just don't really give much merit to these runs, but you shouldn't stay on orals for extended periods of time...

eh, are you absolutely dead set on this run? you know, you CAN get shredded with a 'lil test...i would just feel peachy if ya gave it some thought...

[G-1000]

i do not advise you to run an oralo only cycle. Also you should not be running 2 17aa at the same time.

[Liftnainez]

I did a tbol/var cycle this summer and now I'm taking winstrol. For anavar to do anything at all you have to use it at atleast 60mgs+ to get any gains whatsoeva. I'm seeing magic happen at 60mgs of winstrol.

So 60/60 would be good, or 60var/50win.....whatever you want to go with.

Interesting Hellmask.. I am currently taking 50mg of tbol and 60 mg of var... I have seen increased definition, slight strength increase but nothing crazy.. Waiting for week 4 so I can increase the VAR ( will be dropping tbol then) I do have som winstrol left over.. im kind of thinking about MAYBE adding it... maybe to many orals... what do you think?

[Alpha-Male]

For anavar to do anything at all you have to use it at atleast 60mgs+ to get any gains whatsoeva.

that's not a fair assessment...you're much bigger than he is, therefore, you're probably going to need more...you've also got a few cycles under your belt, and i'm "assuming" he doesn't (could be wrong)...either way, many, MANY people see very nice gains from 40mg/day...and depending on whether it's oral or liquid winny (which hopefully is the later...two orals, ouch), 50mg/day liquid or 75mg/day oral should suffice...

[Alpha-Male]

i do not advise you to run an oralo only cycle. Also you should not be running 2 17aa at the same time.

thank you...this must have gone up while i was typing

[Hellmaskbanned]

Interesting Hellmask.. I am currently taking 50mg of tbol and 60 mg of var... I have seen increased definition, slight strength increase but nothing crazy.. Waiting for week 4 so I can increase the VAR ( will be dropping tbol then) I do have som winstrol left over.. im kind of thinking about MAYBE adding it... maybe to many orals... what do you think?

Why are you dropping the tbol?

I would add the winstrol.

IMO thats not to many orals.

BUT , Bloodwork determines if your good to go or not.

[Alpha-Male]

so, just out of curiosity, do you happen to have a copy of your bloodwork towards the end of your cycle, so that we can give this guy a better idea of what his precious liver will be going through???

[LatinoPR]

I don't know your "expertis" in this,but assuming that you know all about it..go with T prop as a base,winny 50/ed and var 60-70/ed.

[Hellmaskbanned]

that's not a fair assessment...you're much bigger than he is, therefore, you're probably going to need more...you've also got a few cycles under your belt, and i'm "assuming" he doesn't (could be wrong)...either way, many, MANY people see very nice gains from 40mg/day...and depending on whether it's oral or liquid winny (which hopefully is the later...two orals, ouch), 50mg/day liquid or 75mg/day oral should suffice...

Orals are like baby food. They make me feel all warm inside.

[G-1000]

I think you would be much happer with a test winny or test var cycle. If you just wont to do a short cycle 8 weeks of prop and var would ofer nice gains.

[Metalshredder_25]

22yrs/6'1"/200lbs/approx 13%bf. I finished a bulking cycle about 7 months ago of dbol and deca and got some really good results but never dropped the extra fat I gained,so now it has to go(girlfriend says I'm fat) but I dont want to lose any muscle or strength along with the fat.

[G-1000]

Orals are like baby food. They make me feel all warm inside.

I can see how you feel that. It's you liver melting to shit.

[Hellmaskbanned]

so, just out of curiosity, do you happen to have a copy of your bloodwork towards the end of your cycle, so that we can give this guy a better idea of what his precious liver will be going through???

Don't tell me that you actually believe anavar with tbol or with winstrol, will destroy a healthy mans liver in 3 months........come on now AM!?!?

[G-1000]

22yrs/6'1"/200lbs/approx 13%bf. I finished a bulking cycle about 7 months ago of dbol and deca and got some really good results but never dropped the extra fat I gained,so now it has to go(girlfriend says I'm fat) but I dont want to lose any muscle or strength along with the fat.

Get over it. It's going to happen no mater what. Just look at you self getting nice and lean you will be happy then.

[G-1000]

Don't tell me that you actually believe anavar with tbol or with winstrol, will destroy a healthy mans liver in 3 months........come on now AM!?!?

No it's not going to kill you. But sure as shit not going to do any good on the live. You only have one you do know that right?

[Hellmaskbanned]

I can see how you feel that. It's you liver melting to shit.

Damnit! thats what I'm feeling!

[Hellmaskbanned]

No it's not going to kill you. But sure as shit not going to do any good on the live. You only have one you do know that right?

LOL gsxxr , I've followed up on some of your cycle ideas and cycles you've wrote, and are you telling me that var + tbol are harder on the body than your outragous amount of powerful compounds/doses you put in your body HA! come on now bro , dont be rediculous.

[Liftnainez]

Why are you dropping the tbol?

I would add the winstrol.

IMO thats not to many orals.

BUT , Bloodwork determines if your good to go or not.

I was going to run var solo at 80mg for 8-10 weeks, but then I rem I had 4 weeks of TBOL @ 50mg per day so I decided to throw that in- figuring it would give me a bit of a boost- so i lowered the var to 60mg per day and added in 50mg of tbol per day.. Where do you advise to throw in the winny. This is just a thought that just came to me, nothing conclusive..

[G-1000]

LOL gsxxr , I've followed up on some of your cycle ideas and cycles you've wrote, and are you telling me that var + tbol are harder on the body than your outragous amount of powerful compounds/doses you put in your body HA! come on now bro , dont be rediculous.

If you look at my cycle i do have 2 17aa in it. But not at the same time. They 10 weeks apart. As for my dose what is wrong with them. deca is low eq is not a harsh compounds. The only crazy thing is tren

[Alpha-Male]

well, it's possible to keep lean muscle while cutting, i've done it, actually gained a small amount, but that's the point, i did that drug-free...so at this time, i think you're falling into the hype over winstrol, that it's some sort of miracle fat burner (var too), and it's just not so...i don't doubt you had a good diet in place, but if you take some time and head over to the diet forum here, the bros in there will help you put something together to at the very least minimize muscle loss while cutting...i tell ya, seriously, diet and training, 90% of it bro, no lie...

at these times, you help as much as you can, but often just have to let 'em learn for themselves...so NO HM, i don't think it will necessarily destroy his liver at his age, but it's definitely not gonna make it smell like roses, and i promise you, you don't wanna **** around with that organ...pick up an A&P book sometimes...you'll realize just how important it is...problem is, since he won't die, and he might get some decent gains, he'll likely continue these runs, and sooner or later, yes, that MFer is gonna give out...just tryin' to help...

[Hellmaskbanned]

well, it's possible to keep lean muscle while cutting, i've done it, actually gained a small amount, but that's the point, i did that drug-free...so at this time, i think you're falling into the hype over winstrol, that it's some sort of miracle fat burner (var too), and it's just not so...i don't doubt you had a good diet in place, but if you take some time and head over to the diet forum here, the bros in there will help you put something together to at the very least minimize muscle loss while cutting...i tell ya, seriously, diet and training, 90% of it bro, no lie...
at these times, you help as much as you can, but often just have to let 'em learn for themselves...so NO HM, i don't think it will necessarily destroy his liver at his age, but it's definitely not gonna make it smell like roses, and i promise you, you don't wanna **** around with that organ...pick up an A&P book sometimes...you'll realize just how important it is...problem is, since he won't die, and he might get some decent gains, he'll likely continue these runs, and sooner or later, yes, that MFer is gonna give out...just tryin' to help...

I agree.

I se what your saying , of course one run won't f him up, but oral cycle after oral cycle, down the long road would cause some serious problems.

[Hellmaskbanned]

If you look at my cycle i do have 2 17aa in it. But not at the same time. They 10 weeks apart. As for my dose what is wrong with them. deca is low eq is not a harsh compounds. The only crazy thing is tren

Tbol and var are very MILD compounds. What orals are you running ,.... I'm guessing stronger more toxic ones that tbol and var. Winstrol is toxic mg per mg but if used in lower dosages can work without much bad. Tren deca equipoise I'm guessing your running test too right? + 2 orals......and your saying I'm messing up my body by running JUST 2 orals at once , thats funny.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I was going to run var solo at 80mg for 8-10 weeks, but then I rem I had 4 weeks of TBOL @ 50mg per day so I decided to throw that in- figuring it would give me a bit of a boost- so i lowered the var to 60mg per day and added in 50mg of tbol per day.. Where do you advise to throw in the winny. This is just a thought that just came to me, nothing conclusive..

I would throw in the winstrol right when I drop the tbol....I see your going by the "dont exceed the 100mg rule" thats cool and a good idea.

[Alpha-Male]

Tbol and var are very MILD compounds. What orals are you running ,.... I'm guessing stronger more toxic ones that tbol and var. Winstrol is toxic mg per mg but if used in lower dosages can work without much bad. Tren deca equipoise I'm guessing your running test too right? + 2 orals......and your saying I'm messing up my body by running JUST 2 orals at once , thats funny.

HM, c'mon, you've been around long enuff to know that it puts more stress on your liver to metabolize an oral than the other, right? tell you what, gimme a sec, lemme poke around...

[Liftnainez]

I would throw in the winstrol right when I drop the tbol....I see your going by the "dont exceed the 100mg rule" thats cool and a good idea.

yea dont really want to exceed much more than that.. I am also taking niacin and milk thistle.. I will think about adding the Winny in after dropping the tbol.. that or just increasing the VAR to 80 or 100mg per day..

[G-1000]

Tbol and var are very MILD compounds. What orals are you running ,.... I'm guessing stronger more toxic ones that tbol and var. Winstrol is toxic mg per mg but if used in lower dosages can work without much bad. Tren deca equipoise I'm guessing your running test too right? + 2 orals......and your saying I'm messing up my body by running JUST 2 orals at once , thats funny.

And you said you looked at my cycle.

[Metalshredder_25]

I'm not planning on using 17aa's any longer than 6 weeks max I just want something mild to help make some gains without retaining water and the added strength from the anavar is a bonus, plus I also heard that you keep almost all your gains from winstrol and anavar.

[Liftnainez]

Just to add a couple of things.. Orals and liver failure is HIGHLY OVER EXXAGERATED. I know some people on this board ran DROL at 200 mg per week for about 10 weeks with no problems.. There are people who run 100 mg of dbol.. drol and tren.. there are alot of powerful compounds that people run.. best advice is to take safety measures like milk thistle, niacin, etc..

[Hellmaskbanned]

And you said you looked at my cycle.

Sorry bro , I've just seen some stuff you've wrtoe in the past. I'm not stalking you remembering word after word. ALL I'm saying is that one oral cycle with 2 orals isn't gonna do much harm if you know what the fuk ur doin.

LOL

ORAL TOXICITY IS OVERRATED! The liver is strong ,forgiving.

[taiboxa]

Sorry bro , I've just seen some stuff you've wrtoe in the past. I'm not stalking you remembering word after word. ALL I'm saying is that one oral cycle with 2 orals isn't gonna do much harm if you know what the fuk ur doin.

LOL

ORAL TOXICITY IS OVERRATED! The liver is strong ,forgiving.

yeah this is true but it just takes one fvck up and then.. its ..

[G-1000]

No it's not going to kill you. But sure as shit not going to do any good on the live. You only have one you do know that right?

No shit. I thought i said that.

[Alpha-Male]

here's a study done with oxandrolone, note that this was only 20mg/day, and they took lipid profiles at only 1 month...it's around page 4 or 5, but most readings were higher, but within normal, except for ALT, which doubled...and again, that's just 20mg/day, for 1 month.

http://www.mssm.edu/msjournal/66/66_3_201.pdf

eh, nvm, got bored, gotta head to the house...but you get it, i think...stano is even more hepatotoxic...

[Hellmaskbanned]

here's a study done with oxandrolone, note that this was only 20mg/day, and they took lipid profiles at only 1 month...it's around page 4 or 5, but most readings were higher, but within normal, except for ALT, which doubled...and again, that's just 20mg/day, for 1 month.

http://www.mssm.edu/msjournal/66/66_3_201.pdf

eh, nvm, got bored, gotta head to the house...but you get it, i think...stano is even more hepatotoxic...

All I know is that after my bloodwork everything was fine.

Should I say everything was PERFECT yes sir.

[Metalshredder_25]

If you guys continue to argue I'm gonna have to flick the lights on and off LOL.But seriously does anyone think I can achieve my goal with this mild cycle?

[taiboxa]

just do it.. if u die .. then obvoisly something was wrong and u kan change it next go

[G-1000]

just do it.. if u die .. then obvoisly something was wrong and u kan change it next go

I have not this hard in a long long time.

[Metalshredder_25]

just do it.. if u die .. then obvoisly something was wrong and u kan change it next go

I don't want to die.......why didn't anyone tell me steroids were dangerous?