can't remember the name of oldschool andro compound...anybody help?

[vestax]

Does anybody remember the name of the oldschool andro

I used to take Twinlabs Andro Nitrate Fuel 5-6 years ago before they banned it, now they had to reformulate their pills and I'm having trouble finding the names of the old ingredients.


There were a few different andro analogs going around at the time, and I remember this specific one was great because it actually improved my skin better than any acne medication

does anyone remember what it was called?

Thanks bros

[Ufa]

First we will discuss the Andro vs. Norandro debate.
Androstenedione and 4-Androstenediol are metabolites of DHEA but huge improvements biochemically. They are direct precursors to testosterone, meaning, there is only one enzyme needed to change them to testosterone. The conversion occurs quickly and the testosterone spike degrades fairly rapidly, most often, within hours.

5-Androstenediol is a precursor to Methandriol a very anabolic hormone that is commonly associated with veterinary steroids such as Winstrol V. 5-Andro has the additional properties of increasing the effects of all prohormones and decreasing muscle wasting cortisol.

19-Norandrostene (dione or diol), simply stated, it is an andro molecule without any carbon at the 19th position. Without carbon added, norandro cannot be converted to testosterone. Instead, it is converted to nortestosterone, in other words, the hormone nandrolone. Nandrolone is a highly anabolic hormone as well and has a high affinity
for steroid receptors meaning it stays attached much longer (up to 2-3 weeks). As a result, Norandro's nitrogen retentive and muscle enhancing effects peak less high but last far longer when compared to andro.

The second dimension for comparison is the "diones" vs. the "dioles."

On the biochem 101 blackboard, the "diols" appear to have much better conversion rates in the body than do the "diones." But in the real world, unquestionably, the opposite is true.
Based on a vast amount of feedback from athletes, androstenedione and 19-norandrostenedione are considered to be far superior to 4-Androstenediol and 19-norandrostenediol with respect to their anabolic effects.

Why? There are many different theories bouncing around out there to explain this fact but the most obvious is referred to as the enzyme availability theory.

Here is a chart on which enzyme is used to convert each of the individual substances:

Androstenedione 17 Hydroxysteroid dehydrenase
19- Norandrostenedione 17 Hydroxysteroid dehydrenase
4-Androstenediol 3 Hydroxysteroid dehydrenase
19-Norandrostenediol 3 Hydroxysteroid dehydrenase
5-Androstenediol An Isomerase Enzyme


As you can see, all diones are converted using the 17 enzyme while diols use the 3 enzyme. While no one is sure if the body has more 17 enzymes than 3 enzymes, it is known that there are different types of 17 enzymes which reside in different organs (i.e. the liver, the testes). It is widely believed that it is the additive availability of these various 17 enzymes which cause the diones to have more biochemical effectiveness compared to that of the diols.

[vestax]

Whats the best PH blend of short and long acting

[fLgAtOr]

I thought andro nitrate fuel was 1-AD.

But sheezh, very informative, Ufa!

[Seattle Junk]

Andro gives me zits and makes my hair come out. Crappy sides and minimal return. I get less sides from AAS and a lot of return. Andro also supresses your HPTA after prolonged use just like AAS. IMO, I see no reason to use andro if you have access to AAS.

[pdog80]

I too agree with junk. I've used andro in the past and have gotten some pretty shitty results from it. I'm sticking to gear.

[vestax]

I agree completely, the only thing I liked about andro was its ability to clear up my skin and I am interested in possibly taking a low dose profilactly while bridging cycles (alongside DBOL) and researching in greater detail as to why it cleared up my skin so perfectly. That's why I'm trying to find out what the name of the compound was I don't think it was 1-AD I think it was 4-AD....not positive though

can anybody remember?

[TheSentinal]

I too agree with junk. I've used andro in the past and have gotten some pretty shitty results from it. I'm sticking to gear.

Yeah? Well, it worked well for Mark McGwire!

[Ufa]

I had some zits also. I ran test with it and had no problems. I still
have a some stashed away. I think you gotta run it with test.

[pdog80]

Yeah, but don't forget that Mark McGwire also used AAS along with the andro.