second cycle advice

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

my first cycle was:

test-e 500mg/week (12 weeks)
dbol 30mg/day (5 weeks)

I started at 6'2" 190lbs 15% bodyfat, and after pct ended with 210lbs 8% bodyfat. I rather not post pictures at this time, b/c I still feel like the smallest dude in the room.

I found that I fell in love with dbol. The feeling, the effects, everything! I also found that when I finished dbol, I wasn't getting the good gains just on test. And the test-e didn't do anything the last 3 weeks. I know this could be due to vairous things (ie. diet, sleep, stress, over/under training, etc.)

All that said, I'm looking to do another cycle next summer or around chritmas time. I know I want to include dbol again, but I'm not sure how many weeks, or how many mg's. Also, what test (e, c, or p) should I use this time? And should I just do 500mg/week, or should I do more? Lastly, should I include another steroid? I had no side effects to dbol or test-e.

My goals for the next cycle is to get to 230lbs. I know I'll put on some weight in the next 1 - 2 years, but I still badly want to be bigger... ie. adonis complex. Any POSITIVE suggestions are welcome, and please if negative, don't flame. Cheers.

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

I've done some reading, and figure I'd post my suggestion and hopefully you guys can let me know what you think.

wk 1-8 Dianabol 30mg ed
wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg/week

I like test-e b/c I know it did help with my last cycle. Also, I don't want to shoot every single day. I put 8 weeks of dbol b/c I love it, and figure that since this will be my last cycle (ever...hopefully) then my liver can withstand this.

[BG]

You could go with the same d-bol dosage, get some good cyp and add some deca.
1-5 d-bol
1-12 cyp 600mg
1-11 deca 350-400
Then pct
JMO

[SMAN12b]

I've done some reading, and figure I'd post my suggestion and hopefully you guys can let me know what you think.

wk 1-8 Dianabol 30mg ed
wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg/week

I like test-e b/c I know it did help with my last cycle. Also, I don't want to shoot every single day. I put 8 weeks of dbol b/c I love it, and figure that since this will be my last cycle (ever...hopefully) then my liver can withstand this.

Looks good except I would NEVER run Dbol for 8 weeks, 4 tops!!
This will NOT be your last cycle....Trust US !!!!

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

You could go with the same d-bol dosage, get some good cyp and add some deca.
1-5 d-bol
1-12 cyp 600mg
1-11 deca 350-400
Then pct
JMO

I know it's JYO, but is there a reason why you suggested cyp instead of enth?

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

Looks good except I would NEVER run Dbol for 8 weeks, 4 tops!!
This will NOT be your last cycle....Trust US !!!!

LOL... I don't want to say it but you're probably right. Anyway, I'll stick to your advice and keep dbol 4-5weeks only. However, can you please briefly explain to me why not run it longer? Is it b/c it's THAT bad for your liver? Or is there something else I don't know.

[SMAN12b]

LOL... I don't want to say it but you're probably right. Anyway, I'll stick to your advice and keep dbol 4-5weeks only. However, can you please briefly explain to me why not run it longer? Is it b/c it's THAT bad for your liver? Or is there something else I don't know.

Mostly the liver, and you just need it to kickstart your gains. Most of the gains you will learn are water retention with Dbol, and you will lose a lot of that later. So, I don't feel it is worth the sacrafice to your liver to go much longer than the 4-5 week mark. But, I am sure others have......

[lanky]

it seems that everybody says dbol gains r mostly water and is lost later, does it really make a huge difference to the gains in the complete cycle?

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

Mostly the liver, and you just need it to kickstart your gains. Most of the gains you will learn are water retention with Dbol, and you will lose a lot of that later. So, I don't feel it is worth the sacrafice to your liver to go much longer than the 4-5 week mark. But, I am sure others have......

Alright then, thank you for the info. I'll stay with 4-5weeks. Looks like my second cycle is all set!

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

would it matter too much if i cut out the deca completely and just stuck with the test and dbol like my first cycle? or will that not be wise b/c i've already done a cycle like this before?

or what about running the deca after the four weeks of dbol are up? and then stopping it one week before the test is up?

[No One Knows]

I started at 6'2" 190lbs 15% bodyfat, and after pct ended with 210lbs 8% bodyfat. I rather not post pictures at this time, b/c I still feel like the smallest dude in the room.

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

not necessary "No One Knows".

[No One Knows]

No one on this board believes you. Sorry bro, but you didn't gain 20 lbs and lose 7% bf.

I don't care what you were on

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

once again, your input is not necessary. i am simply asking advice for a future cycle. please keep your messages positive. thank you.

[No One Knows]

Whatever dude..if lying about your cycle results makes you feel better then so be it...

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

Whatever dude..if lying about your cycle results makes you feel better then so be it...

please don't post unless you have something positive and/or informatve to say. thanks

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

back to my original question:

would it matter too much if i cut out the deca completely and just stuck with the test and dbol like my next cycle? or will that not be wise b/c i've already done a cycle like this before?

or what about running the deca after the four weeks of dbol are up? and then stopping it one week before the test is up?

[Bigmax]

back to my original question:

You can run it how you want it bro....if the gains you made were that good why change it.....However The guys has a point...20 pounds of muscle and 7% fat loss in 1 cycle is a seemingly a strech of the truth.

[chest6]

32lbs of pure muscle for your first cycle..not bad

[No One Knows]

Duh..

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

the fat loss came with a quick (non-steroid) cutting cycle afterwards, it was not part of the initial first cycle. i just included it b/c that's my final standings now. and as for the %, you can bump it up to 10, b/c 8 was just my guess from the last official reading i had.

i was not trying create false stats to make myself better than anyone, the point of this post was to ask advice about my next cycle. therefore comments like "Duh..." are pointless.

however, thank you for the advice BIGMAX, it's very much appreciated.

[No One Knows]

K...

[crash187ct]

You can run it how you want it bro....if the gains you made were that good why change it.....However The guys has a point...20 pounds of muscle and 7% fat loss in 1 cycle is a seemingly a strech of the truth.

bull, i gained 40lbs of solid muscle and dropped 50% bf (currently at -20%) just by running anadrol and winstrol (rotating every six weeks) for 10 years (and yes i started when I was 10 years old). so yes, it can be done....in an imaginary sense.

[SMAN12b]

Well since no one wants to get serious here.....
Since you alredy ran Test E in yoru first cycle, then I WOULD include the Deca if your goals are for mass!!
Adding ONE new compound is fine so that you learn what your body reacts to and what it doesn't .

So Go for it!!

[hippie1171]

(and yes i started when I was 10 years old

your crazy. has it affected you at all starting that early?

back to the topic. don't run the dbol past 6weeks. you could run dbol to kick start, test (of your choice), and deca. you could also throw some winny in there.

[gymrat12345]

I've done some reading, and figure I'd post my suggestion and hopefully you guys can let me know what you think.

wk 1-8 Dianabol 30mg ed
wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/week
wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin 400mg/week

I like test-e b/c I know it did help with my last cycle. Also, I don't want to shoot every single day. I put 8 weeks of dbol b/c I love it, and figure that since this will be my last cycle (ever...hopefully) then my liver can withstand this.

dbol can be run for a MAXIMUM of 6 wks, if you want to run it longer get a liver values checked. run deca 1-11, and test 1-12 wk. otherwise good to go!

[Swifto]

I think the majority, if not all cycles should include a Test-derived steroid, DHT-derived steroid and 19-Nor. But, as this is your second cycle, combining 2 would suffice IMO. A form of Testosterone, with a 19-Nor (Deca would be good) or Testosterone with a DHT derived AS.

By looking at your goals. I think:

wk 1-14 Test 500mg/wk
wk 1-13 Deca 400mg/wk

You could also frontload. Or add Dbol/Tbol/Anadrol/Var to kickstart.

[Swifto]

Just to add. If your using a 19-Nor, use HCG IMO. 250-500ius/E4D.

[BG]

I know it's JYO, but is there a reason why you suggested cyp instead of enth?

Cyp is a bit stronger then Enathate, IMO test-e sucs balls and you already used Enathate.

[SMAN12b]

Cyp is a bit stronger then Enathate, IMO test-e sucs balls and you already used Enathate.

Allthough this may or may not be true for him BigGuns, the point here is he already used Enanthate , therefore he knows how his body reacts to it and wants to add a different compound with it like the Deca

If he were to go with the CYP, i would suggest he just do CYP ONLY so that he knows how his body would react to the different ester instead of introducing two new compounds in his body! JMHO though

[No One Knows]

I wonder if he's still trying to stick the needle thru the amp?

[BG]

Allthough this may or may not be true for him BigGuns, the point here is he already used Enanthate , therefore he knows how his body reacts to it and wants to add a different compound with it like the Deca

If he were to go with the CYP, i would suggest he just do CYP ONLY so that he knows how his body would react to the different ester instead of introducing two new compounds in his body! JMHO though

Cyp and enathate are basically the same ester so he wouldnt have to try it alone, just a bit stronger.

[SMAN12b]

Cyp and enathate are basically the same ester so he wouldnt have to try it alone, just a bit stronger.

Agreed!

[pdog80]

Hey Sman, what happened to that avatar of that chick that was wrapped in the American flag I think it was? Now that was the bomb!

[SMAN12b]

Hey Sman, what happened to that avatar of that chick that was wrapped in the American flag I think it was? Now that was the bomb!

This one??....What you dont' like my back.....LOLOL

[pdog80]

Thanx for changing your avatar. The back thing was cool, but them chicks be smokin'!!!

[ForceIsStrongWithMyD]

thanks for the advice SMAN12B and everyone else! I wasn't too sure if I'd get a good straight answer or if i'd just get more idiotic replies from "No One Knows". I think I have a good sense of what I'll take for cycle 2 next year. however i'll keep up the reading and learning. cheers

[pdog80]

Good luck on your cycle.