when comming off anavar do you need pct

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 09:57 PM

when comming off anavar do i need to do pct or will trib work to get my test back in shape

**JohnboyF** · 07-13-2006, 09:58 PM

Yes you need a proper pct....OTC products wont do anything

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 09:58 PM

ive only been on it 3 days and i cant sleep

**JohnboyF** · 07-13-2006, 10:03 PM

Yes.. You need Pct Nolva or clomid you can get them from Lion.

**ShnouzedUp** · 07-13-2006, 10:05 PM

just get some nolva... screw that clomid crap...yuck i hate that stuff

**JohnboyF** · 07-13-2006, 10:05 PM

yea sorry u need pct...

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:09 PM

Do reg PCT just shorten it up..Trib won't get your natural test back, Ive seen too many studies saying lt wont, but the stuff will get you horny at 2-4 grams a day..

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by FaizakaFez

Wait is this the crap from muscletehc?

Never use anything but clomid and nolvadex pref in a tab form..

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:11 PM

Maybe some HCG during cycle..

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:12 PM

nolvadex and clomid or just one of them

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

nolvadex and clomid or just one of them

Iam thinking 50mg clomid ED for 25 days would be right..
Or 20mg ED of nolva for the same..

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:14 PM

how long should i do the nolva
and how much

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:15 PM

cool i love this stuff but cant sleep and it makes me so moody i think i need a break

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

cool i love this stuff but cant sleep and it makes me so moody i think i need a break

welcome to juice bro..I sleep 3 hours a night Iam moody as ever..Anadrol really does the worst on me..

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:19 PM

let me ask this i was a boxer in awsome shape but i got out off it and am now about 30 lbs over weight will cardio and diet get this off

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:20 PM

i wanna get clean and get off the roids

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:22 PM

ive put on alot of mass now i just wanna clean up and get the fat off
maybe do some mma or something

**HORSE~** · 07-13-2006, 10:22 PM

Dude check it out.

We also have a pct forum you can post this there aswell here's the link

Also try reading the stickies at top of the page there is alot of great info there

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=77

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

ive put on alot of mass now i just wanna clean up and get the fat off
maybe do some mma or something

Jog on an empty stomach in the morning long distances..

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:25 PM

Make you really appriciate carbs..

**Liftnainez** · 07-13-2006, 10:26 PM

I would NOT use HCG for a var only cycle.. And I wouldnt use clomid either.. I would use 20 mg of nolva and 50-75 mg of proviron w/ creatine and maybe some tribulus until I feel "back"

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:27 PM

should i cut the carbs out all the way or what i only do 60 grams a day now

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

I would NOT use HCG for a var only cycle.. And I wouldnt use clomid either.. I would use 20 mg of nolva and 50-75 mg of proviron w/ creatine and maybe some tribulus until I feel "back"

I wasn't recommending he take HCG on a short var cycle..I was just kinda talking aloud..

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:28 PM

people say var isnt that potent or whatever but it is

**Liftnainez** · 07-13-2006, 10:28 PM

even when your cutting you still need carbs.. post your diet in the diet forum- you will get the help you need

**Liftnainez** · 07-13-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

I wasn't recommending he take HCG on a short var cycle..I was just kinda talking aloud..

not a prob bro.. just giving my opinion.. wasnt pushing anything in your face

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

should i cut the carbs out all the way or what i only do 60 grams a day now

No you should eat 6 meals of 50%protein 35%carbs 15%fats spread throughout and jog and jog somemore..Depending on your size I could reccomend caloric intake..

**Liftnainez** · 07-13-2006, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

people say var isnt that potent or whatever but it is

People say alot of stuff.. BOTTOM LINE: Each compound effects each person differently.. I would advise a PCT even for a var only.. you may be ablt to get away with trib and creatine, but maybe you wont... better to be safe than sorry....

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

not a prob bro.. just giving my opinion.. wasnt pushing anything in your face

Arn't you polite..Same to you..

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:32 PM

i weight 238 and have 202 lbs of lean mass

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

i weight 238 and have 202 lbs of lean mass

4000 calories a day and exercice it will gone in no time maybe get some clen in there as well..

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:36 PM

really that many calories

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

People say alot of stuff.. BOTTOM LINE: Each compound effects each person differently.. I would advise a PCT even for a var only.. you may be ablt to get away with trib and creatine, but maybe you wont... better to be safe than sorry....

Iam telling you bro despite what PPL think Ive seen reaseach saying trib just raises you LH and not your test levels..I always thought it raised my test to because of the way it made me feel but the studies say otherwise..Iam looking for them right now...Your right though each compound has diff effect given diff enviroments..Var makes me grow like an ox I love the stuff..

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by mastermass212

really that many calories

It's what me and all my friends do to diet down for summer and it works I promise..

**Liftnainez** · 07-13-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

Iam telling you bro despite what PPL think Ive seen reaseach saying trib just raises you LH and not your test levels..I always thought it raised my test to because of the way it made me feel but the studies say otherwise..Iam looking for them right now...Your right though each compound has diff effect given diff enviroments..Var makes me grow like an ox I love the stuff..

Im on tbol/var now.. what dosages did you run while on Var?

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

Im on tbol/var now.. what dosages did you run while on Var?

100mg ED

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:40 PM

this var is making me grow like crazy but i cant sleep and my chest hurts
and my heart beats hard when i lay down

**KINGKONG** · 07-13-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

100mg ED

All taken 90minutes before workout...

**Liftnainez** · 07-13-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

100mg ED

Yea I think im going to bump it up.. IM currently taking 55-60 mg per day.. I think im going to bump it up closer to 80-100 mgs per day...

**mastermass212** · 07-13-2006, 10:40 PM

im on 60 mg ed

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