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ok so i peed sum red haze..blood...ya..torso bloated up, night sweats...signs of liver dysfunction...ok...doc told me what to do, said what you would say..
QUESTION...
should i hop into PCT ASAP???? continue supportings supps...no PP????or continue PP, on the 3rd week n 2nd day...
also, if i stop PP, how bad would it be to not start PCT ?? IM IN CALI!!!!
should i continue supporting supps with no PP until i get home????
Anabolic Member
How bad are your liver values?
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havnt got bloodwork yet..just did them yesterday!!! and they are being sent to my house in Arizona....!!!
Anabolic Member
Hope you are at least tapering down. Maybe taking Liv52. & Milk Thistle. Is this from oral's.
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ya phera plex...oral 2-ene
taking milk thistle at 1000mg...1g...
with other supporting supps...but this is the liver support
Anabolic Member
I take the milk thistle. Stop the phera plex. Your liver is theOriginally Posted by boxingbean
most foregiving organ in your body. Things should return to
normal very fast. No drinking or Tylenol. Hope you know about
tylenol.
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what did the doc tell you to do
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ya the liver is SOOO good to us!
ya tylenol SUX...haha never mess with medicine..unless its a vaccine..but anyways..ya stopping drinkin...no more for me..not for atleast months cuz i am thinkin of my buddy the LIVER..
so do u think i will be ok postponing the PCT till friday?? its at my house in Arizona
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What gear did you take? Phera Plex? I don't know the proper wait time to start pct from the last time you took PP, but you may want to consider postponing your pct or not even take it if your pissing blood. Give your ****ing liver a break and forget about any gear gains at this point. You need to cater to your liver at this point bro.
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yup...understood...PP cycles run 4 weeks, harsh on liver..its oral..
avg wait time is the followin 5th weeks, which is next monday for me...but this happends the day i went to california, yesterday, i want to stop the PP and continue the supportings for my liver, adn **** the PP..never again! jeezus christ man...
so how long should i wait on the PCT, i don need one, it requires...its an oralv 4wk steroid..
Anabolic Member
Well I don't see how a 4 week cycle of anything could ever shut you down hard but then again I know very little about PP.
Dude, you may want to skip the pct on this one. It sounds like you eat every pill there is from what I gather in your other threads. Nolva and Clomid are going to run through you already damaged liver too.
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well thats it...i did a Superdrol 4wk, and then the Phera Plex 4wk back to back...some do it...some dont recommend...however both are harsh on liver...and maybe my problem was i did not UP TO DATE my dose of milk thistle
as for eating any pills....im not shur wat you mean, you may be reffering to some of my superdrol questions up to my phera phlex questions..
Anabolic Member
Well there ya go, thats your problem. You shouldnt have ran the superdrol and phera plex back to back. BAD IDEA BRO!!!!
IMO if someone tells you its ok run the both of those back to back they should be smacked across the face. They are both harsh, oral steroids and its just plain stupid to do that IMO.
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Anabolic Member
I concur
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i know i know, but ive read some threads on it start to finish and saw no worries, but i went back to the ones i had bookmarked, and saw they UPD their milk thistle mgs......
anways, thx for the info!!! appreciate it....
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WELL LET THIS BE A LESSON......
no SD n PP back to backs......wonder if i can change the thread name
Anabolic Member
When you went to the doctor did you tell him what you were taking??????
Anabolic Member
Are you afraid of needles or something? You don't even need an oral steroid when injecting. Some people still use dbol as a kick start while waiting for their Test E or other to kick in but it's really not even necessary.
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damn! 4 weeks of SD and then 4 weeks of PP with no break? i know you have read enough in the supp forum to know that what you did is a no no. you are supposed to have 8 weeks off after pct before starting up another cycle. good luck bro, i hope everything turns out ok.
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ya, he wasnt my real doctor, i told my doc in Arizona and he actually sent me to a doctor who was about AS and bodybuilding nutritions, pretty up to date on it all...knew what i was talkin about ..hell..he even knew this website
but yap, told him....
Senior Member
needles?? no, ive ran b4....just wanted to try SD n PP before they were banned completely,
wasnt worth it IMO
Retired VET~ If you dont know... ask me
Regardless bro...if it was blood in the urine...you need to ask what to do???.thats a sign of a bad dysfunction.....stop everything till you get a clean bill of health.
Banned
no pp = bladder damage
Anabolic Member
I thought that was common knowledge?
Not meaning to flame.
Hope everything works out for you bud.
Senior Member
i was reading this and thought to myself, "pp...do this? dear God....what in the world is in that stuff?" then i read where you backed it with SD, yeah you know what you did was wrong, its good that its a lesson learned, and not a lesson to be continued
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definitly a big no-no while on AS, especially orals bro - as you have now learned...
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