"Gyno safe" cycle - help

[stumbras]

I am planning cycle of
eq 1-14 600 mg
tren e 3-13 400 mg
test e 1-14 300 mg


i have small preexisting gyno, so i am trying avoid any chances of it getting worse

should I run it with Winny or Proviron or both, to block the progesterone effects and
add masteron to this cycle or not
if yes how or any other steroidal compound
i am gona usu anti estrogen during this cycle 20 mg tamox ed

would be perfect what my cycle would reduce gyno

[stumbras]

ok i found a post on how to avoid gyno from tren, do you agree guys, should i add bromo tomy cycle:


neckbonekingAugust 5th, 2003, 12:56 PM
Since we're on the subject of Fina lately, and since I've been on it for 2 weeks now, I thought I'd post this for you guys who might try it one day:



The ONLY way to combat Fina Gyno which is caused by Prolactin

Fina is a VERY POWERFUL anti-glucocorticoid, so what
exactly does it do to reduce endogeneous cortisone
levels?

There is only ONE mechanism:

A reduction in the TOTAL Free T4 and T3 levels within the
body.

T3 is HIGHLY catabolic to muscle, therefore by reducing it by(
take 45% as shown by Nandi as an example), you are
exerting a ridiculously high protein-sparing effect.

YES, thats right, Fina is not THAT anabolic IN VIVO, it is
far, and I do mean FAR more of an ANTI-CATABOLIC
AAS than anything else.

Ok, now lets back-track to the problem at hand.

TSH has been reduced by the trenbolone, which in
turns signals the thyroid to reduce endogeneously
produced levels of T3 and T4.

This reduction(As Nandi mentioned) causes a VERY
sharp drop in free T3 levels because of the reduction
in both the endogeneously produced T4 and T3.
(Remember that 80% of the free T3 is produced from
the metabolically inactive T4)

These dimished levels of T3,T4 cause Thyrotropin Releasing
Hormone(TRH) to become OVER-STIMULATED.

In essence, this is your bodies feed-back loop to reduced
thyroid hormones, due to a GLUCO-CORTICOID suppresive
effect. This is however NOT like hypothyroidic patients
who have a naturally defective(or damaged) thyroid.

When TRH becomes over-stimulated the net effect is
a VERY sharp increase in prolactin levels.

Critical here.....

I.E. YOU BEGIN TO LACTATE!!!!!

Now, herein lies the problem. Everybody is bio-chemically
different, therefore the TRH increase is EXTREMELY
broad-spectrum.

While someone will stimulate TRH say X% and ultimately
cause a rise in prolactin of say Y% with a daily
dosage of 50mg ED of Fina, another person will
cause a 2X% rise in TRH and 2Y+% rise in prolactin
which will invariably lead to gyno.

This is just genetics. Nothing can be done about this.

However, there are ways to combat prolactin-elevations:

This btw, HAS TO BE EXACT. If you over-dose you cause
a progestenic shift due to severely inhibited prolactin levels,
or if you under-dose you run the risk of getting prolactin
induced gyno.

As a note: PROGESTERONE does NOT, I repeat NOT come into
play with Fina at all. It only becomes into play when you're
trying to inhibit prolactin synthetically.

The only thing that can combat Fina-induced Gyno is:

One 2.5mgs Bromocriptine broken down to 1.25mgs 2X/day
AM and PM.

Thats it.

No Vitex/Nolva/Clomid/Arimidex or whatever. They don't
work for Fina.


So pick up some Bromo before you start a cycle - if anyone wants to know where to get it, PM me.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/I][/I][/I][/I][/I]

[C_Bino]

You can you some bromo or caber if you want. Personally I just use letro. Dont use nolva, its crap on cycle imo.

[stumbras]

do bromo and caber has the same effects
cuz i have access only to caber its kinda hard to find bromo for me

[C_Bino]

Caber is fine to use. It is a prolactin antagonizer so will work just fine if you want to use that.