Critique my shoulder routine please

[matt50]

looking to put on muscle....5'10 165 lbs all natural

Front/Lateral Raise (together)
10x
8x
6x

Arnold press
10x
8x
6x

Upright Rows
10x
8x
6x

Barbell Shrugs
15x
12x
10x

Behind the Back Shrugs
15x
12x
10x

Pec Deck Rear
10x
8x
6x

Bent over Lateral Raise
10x
8x
6x

I do 2 trap excercises because i feel they need work. Do I need to do the Pec deck rear if i'm using Dumbbells for the bent over lateral raise? Should I add a military press in??? I also work my biceps afterwards but my routine is working for me in that department. This routine for shoulders is working fine, just seeing if theres anything i can do better...thanks everyone !!!

Matt

[JohnboyF]

Well i personally think the rep/set scheme is fine imo i just think your doing to many excersices.

1) I would add military press or DB SP as the first excersice then work on isolation movements.
2)Also IMO, Upright works also do hit the traps as well i would drop one of them and switch them up every week. IE Rows, Shurgs
3) Choose either Rear Pec Deck or Bent over Laterals.

How much work do you do for your biceps? The shoulder workout out-alone seems to be about 45-1+hour.

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

7 exercises for shoulders/traps... thats too many IMHO

stick to 5 (4 shoulder, 1 trap):

Military press or dumbbell press (3 sets)
lateral raise or lateral-to-front raise (3 sets)
upright row or arnold or behind-the-neck (3 sets)
bent over row or reverse pecdec (3 sets)
barbell shrugs or behind the back shrugs (4 sets)

this is how I do it....

you're doing too much for the rear delts and shrugs (yes its your weak point but dont forget, upright rows work em as well)... and military press is a good overall mass builder and some form of it should be in your regimen IMHO

cheers

[matt50]

for my biceps i'll do 3 excercises......

barbell curl or EZ bar curl

incline dumbbell curl

then cable skull crushers

each set is 10 8 6

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

10 x 3 = 30 sets!!!

you're overtraining

[matt50]

so how about what you reccommend plus the bicep routine i just posted for my mondays?