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    ? regarding Marcus' priming b4 cycle

    Marcus said that right before you run a bulking cycle (or any cycle I guess) that you should keep your calories really low until just right before you start the cycle, then ramp them up creating an anabolic environment.

    My question is: how would eating a ton of carbs (about 400-500 grams/day) during the week (Mon-Fri; the weeks that I lift), and then decreasing them substantially on the weekends work? Would this create the same effect as what Marcus is referring to week to week?

    Your thoughts please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclestack
    Marcus said that right before you run a bulking cycle (or any cycle I guess) that you should keep your calories really low until just right before you start the cycle, then ramp them up creating an anabolic environment.

    My question is: how would eating a ton of carbs (about 400-500 grams/day) during the week (Mon-Fri; the weeks that I lift), and then decreasing them substantially on the weekends work? Would this create the same effect as what Marcus is referring to week to week?

    Your thoughts please...

    Thanks,
    MS
    No, it's not the same thing at all. The whole idea behind priming is very simple. You diet down slowly, losing some fat, then you "spring board" into your cycle with a proper bulking diet.

    I believe Marcus cycles his carbs for this process, as he find it works best for him. 3 days low carb, 1 day high. But it's not a "must". A slow and steady reduction of carbs over a 6 week period will work also.

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    i hope he doesnt mind but this is a quote from the guru himself on how its done

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300
    you will need to work off a basic diet one which your maintaining on, this is the diet what you prime from, its all about confusing the body, Ive found that carb cycling is the best way to prime, it also keeps hold of valuable muscle tissue if its done correctly, i am sure your in fine tune with your body so i don't think losing muscle tissue will be a problem to you, as you carb cycle you must listen to the body and react accordingly,

    The best way Ive found is 3-5 days low carb 40% less than your maintenance diet then followed by 1 day high carb 15% higher than the maintenance diet, you will have to adjust the low carb days to suit your body but don't go near 7 days low carbs, a common problem with reducing carbs is that over time the metabolic rate can and will begin to adapt, when carbs stays low for an extended period of time usually at the 7 day mark and up, fat cells attempt to hold on by resisting the release of fatty acids, levels of lipoprotien lipase tend to rise and thyroid levels drop, these both effect overall basal metabolism and are part of the starvation response which off sets reductions in energy intake and is very common to muscle wastage, so adjust to your body's response but in my opinion don't go 7 days or more,

    The one high carb day should be introduced around 3-5 day mark of low carbs, the high carb day at around day 3-5 this interrupts the starvation response which restores thyroid levels back to normal while also suppressing the fat storing enzyme lipoprotein ( which rises after day 7 of a lower carb intake) which results in no muscle tissue wastage,

    Also if you catch this right at when the glycogen levels drop which is around 3-5 day mark and you follow this by the high carb day with an increase of calories even higher than what the body had been use to previous to the reduction, the body responds by increasing thermogenesis which in turn helps the whole process,

    Everybody is different but ive got alot of personally studies which show muscle wastage on carb cycling at the 7 day mark and up, the body re-adjusts itself at this stage and holds onto the fat cells while using the precious muscle tissue as energy, which in turn the individual will lose more muscle tissue than stopping short this process at 3-5 day mark of the low carb,

    The key is tricking the metabolism into losing fat instead of muscle tissue by rotating carbs but not letting the body trigger the starvation response which does occur at and around day 7 and upwards, also Ive found that before any type of carb cycling you must of establish a basic diet which you have ran for a number of weeks in where the body isn't gaining or losing any size just maintaining what its got, this is very important because this established diet is what you work off so we get the body to respond the best by dropping bf and holding onto muscle tissue,

    As you carb cycle your body goes into a environment were muscle tissue can be built very fast, just look how much you put on after a contest, this whole process you take advantage of and put it together with a short cycle and hit all comounds hard and fast, an increase in calories is needed everyday of the cycle, you must support the high amount of AAS and growth the body wants to grow, as soon as you start the cycle your body is very anabolic so take advantage of this and hit it hard, growth comes on fast, at around day 18-20 the appetite starts to slow this is the body's response to the increase in calories so at about a week before this start to take B12 at 1000mcg ed and you will get more growth out of the cycle, normally for up to around day 30+ , Personally i wouldn't do a high dose cycle for 6 weeks, i would just do around 30 days,

    As for the training for the cycle its got to be very intense heavy drop sets to failure(DY style) this kind of training you cant keep up nor can you keep it up mentally this is why the whole cycle and training is for 30 days and then it changes and even after you change the training the body still grows because of the drop in intense training triggers growth through the rest its getting, the whole process is amazing and the feeling is untrue, i still get gains like when i first started with this way of training and cycling,

    The dose what you would use would depend on your cycle history and dosages and results, this would detirmine what kind of dose you would use, but i would defo up the dose and cut the stated cycle down and take advantage of the state of the body and enviroment you have created at the begining of the cycle, hit it hard with the right compounds,

    Dorian was a big believer in this type of cycling and training and his crew gave me alot of tips in the whole process, DY was in the gym straight after the Mr O taking advantage of the whole process and he use to put on over 30lbs some years,

    If the correct prime for your body is done and the right compounds are used for a short period you will never go back to the norm of cycling.

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    Thanks Tai,

    hopefully thats answers the questions, if not please post i will keep an eye on this thread, if you do a prime it as to be done correctly so the gains are the best p[ossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclestack
    Marcus said that right before you run a bulking cycle (or any cycle I guess) that you should keep your calories really low until just right before you start the cycle, then ramp them up creating an anabolic environment.

    My question is: how would eating a ton of carbs (about 400-500 grams/day) during the week (Mon-Fri; the weeks that I lift), and then decreasing them substantially on the weekends work? Would this create the same effect as what Marcus is referring to week to week?

    Your thoughts please...

    Thanks,
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    I am sorry i never said that keep calories low,

    never said ton of carbs week days and decreasing weekends,

    That is madness, please read my post on it Tai as posted it for me,

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300
    I am sorry i never said that keep calories low,

    never said ton of carbs week days and decreasing weekends,

    That is madness, please read my post on it Tai as posted it for me,
    Sorry, Marcus, I thought you said to keep cals low until right before cycling. I'll re-read. As for the high carbs during the week and low during the weekend, that was part of my question. Please re-read MY post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclestack
    Sorry, Marcus, I thought you said to keep cals low until right before cycling. I'll re-read. As for the high carbs during the week and low during the weekend, that was part of my question. Please re-read MY post.

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    The answer is in the post what Tai posted,

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