2nd cycle - bulk

[rjlariv]

I am 20 and will be 21 before i start this cycle. 5'9". 202 lbs. I trained naturally for five years before this first cycle. diet is extremely clean. lifting is a religion to me. I am not looking to be a bodybuilder. but i am in a cutting cycle now with ECA and by january would like to be down to 8% bf before i start my clean bulk. I also have some clen on hand so cutting is not my problem.
my first cycle looked like this.

test cyp at 500mg EW
dbol at 50mg ED for the first four weeks

I would like my second cycle to look something like this.

test cyp at 500mg EW
anadrol at 100mg ED with liv52
letro throughout at .25 ED
PCT - 20mg of nolva
100 mg of clomid for 30 days
This type of PCT worked great for me on my first cycle.
I also have some extra nolva on hand to use throughout.
Everyones thoughts and advice is welcome.

[Bigmax]

How long bro????...on the cyp aswell as the AD

[rjlariv]

oh my bad. 12 weeks on the cyp and 4 on the A-50. i have seen some do 6 so any advantages on doing 6?

[Bigmax]

The 12 weeks sound fine bro...4 on the adrol is what I would stick to aswell.Good luck bro.

[trulbfan3]

sounds great, im thinking of starting a very similar cycle soon

[getpumped24]

looks pretty good. i wouldn't use letro though. just keep the nolva in case of gyno. why not some deca w/test? this is my next cycle. great bulker
500mg testex 15 wks
400mg deca 12 wks
30mg ed d bol 1-4 wks
clomid & nolva, trib PCT

[rjlariv]

looks pretty good. i wouldn't use letro though. just keep the nolva in case of gyno. why not some deca w/test? this is my next cycle. great bulker
500mg testex 15 wks
400mg deca 12 wks
30mg ed d bol 1-4 wks
clomid & nolva, trib PCT

Thanks for the advice. on my first cycle i used nolva @ 10mg ED and by week three of the dbol I was still bloated as hell so i stopped the nolva and started .50mg of letro ED and by day three my bloat was completely gone. So that is why i am using the letro @ .25 ED throughout and keeping some nolva on hand for the gyno. as for the deca, the reason i am not using it is cause i would like to stick to two compounds till my third cycle. I am actually gonna add tribulus to my PCT. i am seeing more and more people doing that. is the OTC trib ok? like from GNC? you have all been very helpful. thanks for the advice.

[Swifto]

Thanks for the advice. on my first cycle i used nolva @ 10mg ED and by week three of the dbol I was still bloated as hell so i stopped the nolva and started .50mg of letro ED and by day three my bloat was completely gone. So that is why i am using the letro @ .25 ED throughout and keeping some nolva on hand for the gyno. as for the deca, the reason i am not using it is cause i would like to stick to two compounds till my third cycle. I am actually gonna add tribulus to my PCT. i am seeing more and more people doing that. is the OTC trib ok? like from GNC? you have all been very helpful. thanks for the advice.

Rather than Trib, why not use Proviron? Its an excellent addition to PCT IMO.

I'd also add an AI for PCT. Aromasin or Arimidex IMHO. Drop the Letro.

If you get down to 8%. Why not stay at that bodyfat and do a clean bulk of...Test Prop/Tbol or Test Prop/Dbol?

[getpumped24]

sounds like you got your stuff together. glad to see some guys do some research. good luck

[rjlariv]

Rather than Trib, why not use Proviron? Its an excellent addition to PCT IMO.

I'd also add an AI for PCT. Aromasin or Arimidex IMHO. Drop the Letro.

If you get down to 8%. Why not stay at that bodyfat and do a clean bulk of...Test Prop/Tbol or Test Prop/Dbol?

i will definitly look into proviron. ive seen that it helps keep alot of gains and strength post cycle. would Liquidex be sufficient? and you are saying i should run an AI alongside a SERM? Good point on the prop. the reason i am going with cyp again is because I had some *uroChe* which comes in a 10 ml vial and had some left over so i went ahead and just got more of the same stuff. next cycle will include prop. my diet is clean enough that if i keep my bloat down i should be ok with this type of bulking cycle.

[rjlariv]

sounds like you got your stuff together. glad to see some guys do some research. good luck

Thanks bro. Ill keep you guys posted to let you know how it turns out.

[Swifto]

i will definitly look into proviron. ive seen that it helps keep alot of gains and strength post cycle. would Liquidex be sufficient? and you are saying i should run an AI alongside a SERM? Good point on the prop. the reason i am going with cyp again is because I had some *uroChe* which comes in a 10 ml vial and had some left over so i went ahead and just got more of the same stuff. next cycle will include prop. my diet is clean enough that if i keep my bloat down i should be ok with this type of bulking cycle.

Liquidex is an AI and will reduce estorgen levels, but cannot be substituted for Proviron IMO. Use it for PCT. Though, Proviron has the added benifits of lowering estrogen, SHBG, increasing LH/FSH output and mos timportantly, masking any decrease in labido.

Run an AI whilst "on" and SERM/AI for PCT. Keep the SERM on hand whislt "on" IMO. No need for both.

Please edit out the UGL. Against the Rules.

[rjlariv]

Liquidex is an AI and will reduce estorgen levels, but cannot be substituted for Proviron IMO. Use it for PCT. Though, Proviron has the added benifits of lowering estrogen, SHBG, increasing LH/FSH output and mos timportantly, masking any decrease in labido.

Run an AI whilst "on" and SERM/AI for PCT. Keep the SERM on hand whislt "on" IMO. No need for both.

Please edit out the UGL. Against the Rules.

So i could run Liquidex throughout the cycle. and for PCT i would run nolva, clomid, letro, and proviron. would this work? or should i just drop the letro and stick with L-dex for the PCT as well?

[vein-x]

Is it just me or is Drol a little strong to be adding to a 2nd cycle?

[Swifto]

So i could run Liquidex throughout the cycle. and for PCT i would run nolva, clomid, letro, and proviron. would this work? or should i just drop the letro and stick with L-dex for the PCT as well?

I only suggest you use Letro IF, your VERY prone to estrogen related sides, whilst cutting, for pre-compettition or running a 19-Nor. I have no personal experience with Letro, but from what I've read, studies, personal experience, sides, I'd leave it out as much as possible.

L-Dex for PCT is good, though its effectivness can be hampered by Nolva. Use slightly more when using the compound with Nolva IMO.

I'd run L-Dex 0.5-1mg/ED whilst "on".

For PCT:

wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-3 HCG 500ius/Weekdays
wk 1-6 Proviron 50mg/ED
wk 1-4 L-Dex 0.75mg/ED.

[rjlariv]

I only suggest you use Letro IF, your VERY prone to estrogen related sides, whilst cutting, for pre-compettition or running a 19-Nor. I have no personal experience with Letro, but from what I've read, studies, personal experience, sides, I'd leave it out as much as possible.

L-Dex for PCT is good, though its effectivness can be hampered by Nolva. Use slightly more when using the compound with Nolva IMO.

I'd run L-Dex 0.5-1mg/ED whilst "on".

For PCT:

wk 1-4 Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-3 HCG 500ius/Weekdays
wk 1-6 Proviron 50mg/ED
wk 1-4 L-Dex 0.75mg/ED.

Hey bro, Thanks for spelling it out for me. Much appreciation. how necessary is the HCG? could i drop it and do clomid weeks 1-3? i know it is not a substitute and they are completely different compounds. If my natural test levels could come back without it I would rather leave it out.

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