my roommate is overweight and wants to cut i want to give him proper advice

[matl]

Hi i've searched and read and i see the general response is diet and cardio but my roommate seems unable to drop bodyweight, his diet appears to be clean and his workouts are constant and intense, the cardio is currently lacking but he has done cardio day in and out for months in the past with little result, he states that its his "genetics" and i push for him to go naturally but he is pretty set on doing a cycle of Tren with Cyp or Enth. He is 24 yrs old 5'6" 170lbs has been working out for 4 years and has done around 3 cycles in the past i believe including Deca, Prop, Cyp, Winny also tried Clen and T3 with no great loss in weight. What is your advice? someone told him that Tren is the ultimate cutter and that would work for him but i want to see him actually get some results. thanks

[1buffsob]

I'm sure you already know exactly what we're gonna say. Diet and cardio are the ONLY answers. I don't care what he thinks, he's not dieting right. And there is no steroid in the world that can compensate for a shitty diet. At 5'6" and 170lbs, there's no way he should even be near steroids.

If he wants to waste his money, not to mention mess up his body, I can't stop him. But if he actually wants results, tell him to stop by the diet forum.

[powerliftmike]

Hi i've searched and read and i see the general response is diet and cardio but my roommate seems unable to drop bodyweight, his diet appears to be clean and his workouts are constant and intense, the cardio is currently lacking but he has done cardio day in and out for months in the past with little result, he states that its his "genetics" and i push for him to go naturally but he is pretty set on doing a cycle of Tren with Cyp or Enth. He is 24 yrs old 5'6" 170lbs has been working out for 4 years and has done around 3 cycles in the past i believe including Deca, Prop, Cyp, Winny also tried Clen and T3 with no great loss in weight. What is your advice? someone told him that Tren is the ultimate cutter and that would work for him but i want to see him actually get some results. thanks

AAS are not used *for* cutting, they can be used *while* cutting. Honestly, if he thinks tren is gonna burn more fat more than T3 he is sadly mistaken. Sounds like his diet is way off, and improper use of clen and t3.

[*Alex*]

I'm sure you already know exactly what we're gonna say. Diet and cardio are the ONLY answers. I don't care what he thinks, he's not dieting right. And there is no steroid in the world that can compensate for a shitty diet. At 5'6" and 170lbs, there's no way he should even be near steroids.

If he wants to waste his money, not to mention mess up his body, I can't stop him. But if he actually wants results, tell him to stop by the diet forum.

^^^^^ great answer ,as always.

[sheltonn]

I think new people always get confused/misled when they read about using steroids for cutting and think that you can use them to lose weight. When experienced users say cut, they mean they want to lose that last 1 or 2 % of fat on top of their muscles. This is not "weight loss" that the rest of the world is talking about. You do not take steroids to lose weight.

Your friend will just burn through more money than calories.

[NewyorkGiant]

dispite what some of these know it alls say, it can be done, i dont see how they can know if they were never over weight and tried it. of course there is health concerns but guys already in shape also have them too so its a bit of the pot calling the kettle black when they say "if you want to mess up your body go ahead"

[1buffsob]

dispite what some of these know it alls say, it can be done, i dont see how they can know if they were never over weight and tried it. of course there is health concerns but guys already in shape also have them too so its a bit of the pot calling the kettle black when they say "if you want to mess up your body go ahead"

Unless you wish your stay to be shortlived, I suggest you take a step back and observe where you are. You're surrounded by bodybuilders who, for the majority, take these kind of things very seriously. Discipline and sacrifice are the name of the game here. And yet, you promote the lazy and unsafe way of doing things, not too mention, the incorrect. Have some respect for yourself and try to have some actual determination to reach your goals.

As for building muscle while cutting, it can be done..... without aas. Many people new to proper dieting and training will actually build LBM while decreasing bf. You think you actually needed aas to achieve those goals in that amount of time? If you wish to waste your money, rely on aas, and have no self respect or determination, then by all means... But please, don't give your shitty advice to members who prefer to take the right course of action in achieving their goals.

[matl]

K, sounds pretty unanimous and i wanted to get this feedback so i could show him referrence, can you maybe explain a little futher ? are the reasons for going at it withough AAS because it will not make much difference or is it strickly the health aspect? unfortunately he is not disciplined enough to hit the cardio daily and sacrifice the diet and i agree he should go that route but he wants a "boost" and says that when he's on it he will have more reason to be devoted. thanks again for the input

[perfectbeast2001]

agree with Buff great advice as usual.

[RobbieG]

if he doesn´t loose fat on t3 or clen. <--- and who does not ??


then I'm not buying this "diet is in check" you´re telling here!

[MattY_D]

man tell him to get his fat ass off the couch and run around the block a few times...EVERYDAY and FIND THAT CHOCLATE STASH!!!

also try some appetite suppresants with a clean diet, that way its a bit easier to control what he eats and he deffinetly should not be taking AAS in any case.

[goose]

AAS are not used *for* cutting, they can be used *while* cutting. Honestly, if he thinks tren is gonna burn more fat more than T3 he is sadly mistaken. Sounds like his diet is way off, and improper use of clen and t3.

Great words......

[Surrender]

I'm sure you already know exactly what we're gonna say. Diet and cardio are the ONLY answers. I don't care what he thinks, he's not dieting right. And there is no steroid in the world that can compensate for a shitty diet. At 5'6" and 170lbs, there's no way he should even be near steroids.

If he wants to waste his money, not to mention mess up his body, I can't stop him. But if he actually wants results, tell him to stop by the diet forum.

Very well put. Funny how people think they are doing this a that and probably have never counted a calorie in their life.

[Tazwell]

Hi i've searched and read and i see the general response is diet and cardio but my roommate seems unable to drop bodyweightt,

bodyweight isn't a good way to judge how cut you are, especially if you lift, he should focus more on how his cloths fit and his appearance.. supplements and a good workout regimen can do wonders for loosing weight.. if he wants to use AAS he should focus more on strength gains and consuming enough calories and protein, then cut after his cycle, and let all that hard earned muscle show.

[NewyorkGiant]

Unless you wish your stay to be shortlived, I suggest you take a step back and observe where you are. You're surrounded by bodybuilders who, for the majority, take these kind of things very seriously. Discipline and sacrifice are the name of the game here. And yet, you promote the lazy and unsafe way of doing things, not too mention, the incorrect. Have some respect for yourself and try to have some actual determination to reach your goals.

As for building muscle while cutting, it can be done..... without aas. Many people new to proper dieting and training will actually build LBM while decreasing bf. You think you actually needed aas to achieve those goals in that amount of time? If you wish to waste your money, rely on aas, and have no self respect or determination, then by all means... But please, don't give your shitty advice to members who prefer to take the right course of action in achieving their goals.

while eating a low carb diet and proper lifting and cardio did it with and without aas and the results were night and day. you guys are so ready to dismiss anything you cant see in front of you. It can be done and i am living proof. again you act like useing steroids is the easy way out yet you do it and many others here, only one thing comes to mind hypocrite. i ate clean and worked out very hard in the gym. So its not as easy as you are making it out to be, no results will come without eating good and working out. i didn't waste my money,I saw great results. and better results then when i was not useing,but you guys won't believe it so why do i even bother.

[1buffsob]

while eating a low carb diet and proper lifting and cardio did it with and without aas and the results were night and day. you guys are so ready to dismiss anything you cant see in front of you. It can be done and i am living proof. again you act like useing steroids is the easy way out yet you do it and many others here, only one thing comes to mind hypocrite. i ate clean and worked out very hard in the gym. So its not as easy as you are making it out to be, no results will come without eating good and working out. i didn't waste my money,I saw great results. and better results then when i was not useing,but you guys won't believe it so why do i even bother.

Without getting into a pissing contest with you (I'd win to say the least ), your post deserved a response as it somewhat pertains to the original question in this thread.

In your other thread, you stated you were 50lbs overweight when you began your first cycle. You also admitted that you've been doing the same diet and training routine for years! How is that you could possibly believe your dieting and training are correct if you've been unable to achieve your goals after YEARS OF THE SAME ROUTINE???? You obviously haven't a clue as to proper dieting and training if that is the case.

As for me being a hypocrite, I personally dropped from 318lbs to 185lbs NATTY, before I even began to consider aas. I preach proper diet and training before aas for many reasons. AAS is not a "bandaid" for shitty diet and training. It is a supplement to break genetic limits. If you do not have the proper knowledge to diet and train, nor have the dedication to achieve your goals, how is it that you expect to maintain the gains from aas when you discontinue administration of said hormones?

I admittedly have little knowledge of the "ASA" you so fondly speak of. But I do know a little bit about proper diet/training/aas/peptides/etc. So if you wish to continue this pissing contest, then by all means, we can take it to PM's. Otherwise.....

but you guys won't believe it so why do i even bother??

Don't.

[1buffsob]

K, sounds pretty unanimous and i wanted to get this feedback so i could show him referrence, can you maybe explain a little futher ? are the reasons for going at it withough AAS because it will not make much difference or is it strickly the health aspect? unfortunately he is not disciplined enough to hit the cardio daily and sacrifice the diet and i agree he should go that route but he wants a "boost" and says that when he's on it he will have more reason to be devoted. thanks again for the input

Honestly, it won't make "much" difference, if any. Health is also another concern. Using steroids are a risk, no matter how safe we try to be. Why bother using them if you're not going to see any real benefit and only risk your health?

As for his "boost", he needs to grow up. If he can't achieve such simple results natty, he has no hope of maintaining what little progress he's made on cycle, once he gets off. He'll more than likely look worse than when he started.

[NewyorkGiant]

Without getting into a pissing contest with you (I'd win to say the least ), your post deserved a response as it somewhat pertains to the original question in this thread.

In your other thread, you stated you were 50lbs overweight when you began your first cycle. You also admitted that you've been doing the same diet and training routine for years! How is that you could possibly believe your dieting and training are correct if you've been unable to achieve your goals after YEARS OF THE SAME ROUTINE???? You obviously haven't a clue as to proper dieting and training if that is the case.

As for me being a hypocrite, I personally dropped from 318lbs to 185lbs NATTY, before I even began to consider aas. I preach proper diet and training before aas for many reasons. AAS is not a "bandaid" for shitty diet and training. It is a supplement to break genetic limits. If you do not have the proper knowledge to diet and train, nor have the dedication to achieve your goals, how is it that you expect to maintain the gains from aas when you discontinue administration of said hormones?

I admittedly have little knowledge of the "ASA" you so fondly speak of. But I do know a little bit about proper diet/training/aas/peptides/etc. So if you wish to continue this pissing contest, then by all means, we can take it to PM's. Otherwise.....



Don't.

by all means i dont wish to come here to start an arguement over the net, And i have said many times i am no expert.the proper way is the best way no doubt about that, i am not disputing that fact at all.only the thing that some of you guys said repeatedly (its a waste of money) it can not work, and i am telling you with all honesty that it can. let me explain i have had that same routine off and on for a few years meaning when i did the low carb diet for a few months and worked out i saw results sure, but when i tried it in combination with steroids it was a bigger difference.the results were superb. and for the most part i have kept that weight off for a year without another cycle using proper diet and regular exercise. again I will state for the record there is no substitute for good diet and reg exercise. health risks? there are sides and you know that going in for both the over weight and for the already fit.if this guy is of proper age and i consider that over 23 and is in good health and has made up his mind knowing the sides and all then i am saying hey it worked for me, everybody is different and all. i came to this site to get some good advice and learn some more i did not come here to get people upset over what works for me.

[MorganKane]

I will chime in on this one.
When I started working out I was 38 (I think).
I was 25% body fat. I changed my diet and started cardio.
I went from 264 to 209 over a 8-9 month period or so. I lost some muscle for sure but it worked. Over that time period I did study both diet and training. I realized a few things:
1. If you eat more calories then you burn you gain weight.
2. If you eat the same amout of calories as you burn nothing happens.
3. If you eat less calories then you burn you loose weight.
4. The type of calories makes a huge difference.
5. The type and amount of cardio makes a huge difference.
6. You must find what works for YOU.
7. You must have patience, its a marathon and not a sprint. Changes does not happen over night.

If the gentleman is already overweight then he got a few things going against him when it comes to AAS usage. The sides will be worse since blood pressure ,etc is already not optimal. Also, more importantly he dont need AAS to loose weight. I really dont think it helps someone in his situation much.

If he as already tried what you say he did then he really needs to see a doctor because something is obvioulsy very wrong with him, however I dont think it is. he is just doing this wrong.

I would really suggest the guy work on his diet and cardio, find a fat burner that works for him too.

Good luck

[matl]

great advice guys, i sat and talked to him last night and showed him the reponses and were going to try to sit down and work out a plan for him, any tips on sites or books to get check into that can help work out a good diet for him would be great, also when speaking about "finding what works for you" is that strickly on a trial and error basis or are there ways to narrow down by bodytype etc? thanks again.

[*Narkissos*]

dispite what some of these know it alls say, it can be done, i dont see how they can know if they were never over weight and tried it. of course there is health concerns but guys already in shape also have them too so its a bit of the pot calling the kettle black when they say "if you want to mess up your body go ahead"

And despite what this 'knows nothing' says.. The above poster's buddy has previous cycle experience..with no pronounced weight loss

Thus... obviously anabolics are NOT the solution to his problem.

How bout you take the time to read the query before replying?

It is clear that he stated this:

He is 24 yrs old 5'6" 170lbs has been working out for 4 years and has done around 3 cycles in the past i believe including Deca, Prop, Cyp, Winny also tried Clen and T3 with no great loss in weight. What is your advice? someone told him that Tren is the ultimate cutter and that would work for him but i want to see him actually get some results. thanks

Narkissos