BF requirement before Test cycle

[maxamann]

Is there an agreed on range of acceptable BF% before starting a cycle of Test? I am assuming the reasons being for safety and effectivity of cycle.

[dblock189]

The lower the better but it is said not to be over 15% when doing a cycle. Hope that helps.

[sheltonn]

Take it like this. Fat and water and estrogen are one big happy family. Get them worked out before daddy comes home.

[dblock189]

lol i like the way you put it shellton.....

dblock

[PainfulPleasure]

I am by no means an expert but based on what I have learned, I dont think it matters as long as you aren't obese because putting on muscle should be the last to worry about if you are 30% or higher. As long as you aren't obese in my opinion, I think it would be okay to run gear because you are building muscle and it also helps reduce bodyfat percentage sometimes. just my opinion, i could be wrong.

[pumpd4lif]

I am by no means an expert but based on what I have learned, I dont think it matters as long as you aren't obese because putting on muscle should be the last to worry about if you are 30% or higher. As long as you aren't obese in my opinion, I think it would be okay to run gear because you are building muscle and it also helps reduce bodyfat percentage sometimes. just my opinion, i could be wrong.

i didnt even get thru the whole post pain and it does matter actually it is really important for more then one reason people with a higher body fat are more prone to gyno for one and in order for u to see all ur progress which isnt as important as some of the real dangers u need to lower ur bf% as much as possible bp can also be a big issue....research research........ but yes i think around 12% no more then 15%

[maxamann]

thanks for the responses, looks like ill have to get from 20 down to 15.

[guest589745]

I think it would make the cycle.......less complicated, the lower the BF % you have.

[mkrulic]

thanks for the responses, looks like ill have to get from 20 down to 15.

When I started I was at 23%. now I'm under 10%. what is your age?

[maxamann]

damn, those sound like great results mkrulic. Im 24

[BrokenBricks]

Aromatase lives in fat cells. The more fat you have the more your test will convert to estrogen. Most people would say that with proper anti estrogen receptor and anti aromatase compounds it doesnt matter how much aromatase you have. Who knows

But i wouldnt want to bulk while i was fat just becuase I wouldnt see any change. I would just look more fat the more I worked out. I dont want to simply take up space phsyicaly. I want to look good. And that means lean as much as it does muscular.

[Booz]

personally i would think the fatter you are the less likely you will see any lean muscle gains from the cycle???what d you think?............

[rake922]

personally i would think the fatter you are the less likely you will see any lean muscle gains from the cycle???what d you think?............

yes..

[mkrulic]

damn, those sound like great results mkrulic. Im 24

Thanks. It took more than one cycle but once I started seeing results it was easier to stay on track w/ diet and such.

[maxamann]

Seems like an overwhelming majority of people recommend waiting until i drop to about 15%. mkrulic, given your personal experience, what do u think? did u experience any unwanted sides? did u ever think to yourself " i should have cut first"?

[mkrulic]

Seems like an overwhelming majority of people recommend waiting until i drop to about 15%. mkrulic, given your personal experience, what do u think? did u experience any unwanted sides? did u ever think to yourself " i should have cut first"?

I started w/ the assumption that steroids would help me loose fat. which I got from the steroid effectivness chart. this is definetly an incorrect assumption w/ the exception of trenbolone. no sides do to the high bf%. I found it easier to stay motovated and on track when cycling steroids. but I've allways enjoyed lifting. I have a friend w/ a much higher bf% then 23 and he runs big cycles w/ no noticable sides and he's in his 40's. if it gets you motovated to stay on track I say go for it. It sure helped me get down into the single digits. I should say that I could have done that w/o steroids but its a whole lot more fun when your on.

[ghoul000]

Are you serouis? The Higher your body fat % the easier it is to lose it. When I started training i was 25% within a month down to 19, next month 13%. And was only doing cario like 45 min twice a week. Do some cardio and eat some damn chicken and eggs. No need to use steroids to lose that easy body fat.

[mkrulic]

Are you serouis? The Higher your body fat % the easier it is to lose it. When I started training i was 25% within a month down to 19, next month 13%. And was only doing cario like 45 min twice a week. Do some cardio and eat some damn chicken and eggs. No need to use steroids to lose that easy body fat.

what was your weight when you were at 25% and how old were you.

[rada]

Are you serouis? The Higher your body fat % the easier it is to lose it. When I started training i was 25% within a month down to 19, next month 13%. And was only doing cario like 45 min twice a week. Do some cardio and eat some damn chicken and eggs. No need to use steroids to lose that easy body fat.

Yo man thats pretty intense, with cardio only twice a week 45min...

[stupidhippo]

booz: on what u base that argument? also all people I know who have gyno are quite lean... dont know if there is really a correaltion.. also I was 20-25% (260lbs) when I started and never had to use any anti-e's or anything.. i guess some plp are prone and others aint but havent really seen any proof (except the theory) that not so lean ppl shouldnt cycle. And seen many examples of pple getting lean while cycling.. Im not stating this as a fact but jsut my personal observation..

[ascendant]

well, i think this question depends on what the cycle is intended for? if you're looking to simply cut up, then all that's really needed should be test to maintain as much muscle as possible while maximizing fat loss. personally, i don't even use test while cutting and never needed to. my cycles are only for gaining mass. i use my off time from cycles for cutting usually. then again, that's just me.

now, if you're looking to bulk, you certainly want to get that bf down. first of all, what are you looking to take gear for when you're, no offense, but fat? sorry, but i consider anything over 15% to just be fat unless you're a powerlifter. however, a bb should never let themselves go over that IMO.

anyway, if you lack the self discipline to get your bf down before a cycle, do you honestly think you have what it takes to maximize your results from a cycle? i can tell you the answer is no.

additionally, as others have already stated, fat is where testosterone aromatizes to estrogen, so the more fat you have, the less gains you'll make off your gear cause it will be rapidly converting to estrogen. the excessively high estrogen will not help you get cut, it will only give you feminization symptoms like gyno, female fatty deposits, and excess water retention. though you could most likely avoid the excess aromitization with anti-e's, i just don't think it's a good idea.

so, why do you workout and why are you looking to take gear? if you really care about your appearance, you'd want to seriously get that bf down before looking to put on anymore muscle. i'm not gonna sugar coat it man. when you're bf is over 15%, people really can't tell you're musclular cause there's too much fat covering the muscle. you just look fat, and more muscle under that fat will make you look even worse.

in conclusion, i'd personally advise to shred it up first, get that bf down to a reasonable level for a bb (no more than 12% MAX), then once you've learned from that experience, take it to the next level with gear, IF you're ready for that yet which honestly, i really don't know you well enough to say you are or not.