9 days on Clen-no results so far!!

[davidinvienna]

Hey guys - need your feedback and advice please!

started a 6weeker of Clen 9 days ago to go along my workout routine of training 5days/week including lots of cardio as well as 6meals/day - nutrition high in protein, medium carbs and low fat.
so far I cant see/feel any results from the Clen other than an increased heartrate. the tabs I have are 40mcgs and i haven't gone past 4/day yet.
so what you reckon - does it take longer to kick in or should I increase the dose or am I simply "immune" to that stuff???

stats are 27yo, 1m77 tall, 90kgs, 20% b/f (which is why i m givin clen a go) - no AAS experience so far but planning a cycle for Jan and in prep for that tryin to lower my b/f as much as i can.

any help is greatly appreciated!

[hardgainer12]

some people dont react as expected on eberything. dont go any higher than 4 tabs a day tho

[stupidhippo]

what do u expect from it ?

[scriptfactory]

Are you getting shakes? If so, your stuff is legit. If not, it might be bunk or old or ? If you are getting sides like that then you definitely need to change up your diet. Clen isn't a miracle drug.

[Random]

Along with that clen doesnt work for everyone...personally i like ephedra...

[davidinvienna]

@stupidhippo - i was hopin to see and feel some serious fat loss

@scriptfactory - i know my stuff is legit (checked it) the tabs are hubei 40mcgs/tab.... as far as the sides go i don't have the shakes but i do however feel an increase in heartrate as well as a short period of feelin like being able to take in more oxygen than usual.
in terms of diet:

upon rising i take 1 x40mcgs Clen plus 1 tab of 756mg Taurine/80mg Caffeine

1st morning meal consist of a good portion of muesli with low fat milk(0,5%) or similar - i.e. whole meal bread with low fat cheese

between meal 1 Protein Shake plus 4 Amino Tabs, 1 BCAA and 5gms Glutamine

take another Clen a little later

mid morning meal usually something along the lines of Salad (lettuce, tomatoe, cucumber) with a can of Tuna mixed together in salad marinade (vinegar, olive oil, little salt, pepper & oregano)

after the meal i take Tribulus, Zink, Saw Palmetto as well as Multivitamin Complex

usually off to work out then - approx 2hrs per session

immediately prior to work out i take 4Aminos, 4BCAA plus Tribulus;
immediately after training 4Aminos 2BCAA a Banana plus Protein Shake;

5gms Glutamine

take clen

afternoon meal - something along the lines of Chicken/Rice, Fish/Rice, Wholemeal Pasta with lean Beef, Beef/Potatoes,... etc

after meal Multivitamin complex, Selenium;

later Clen (last in the day)

early evening Protein Shake

evening meal - wholemeal toast with lean turkey breast and fetta

late nite Protein Shake plus 4Aminos, 1BCAA, 5gms Glutamine

b4 sleep Tribulus, Saw Palmetto;

well - that's as detailed as i could possibly get it ... of course i reduce/vary the food intake on training free days.

hope you have some good advice guys

[timtim]

clen is crap and makes you feel like crap. the results are nothing better than serious dieting and cardio.

[scriptfactory]

clen is crap and makes you feel like crap. the results are nothing better than serious dieting and cardio.

I won't use clen anymore because the headaches got too bad. That being said, clen + T3 + cardio + diet = super duper trooper results. Awesome for cutting.

[AnabolicAndre]

if you arent getting the shakes then you might not have legit clen

with that being said clen has a long half life so i take it all at once in the am.

[timtim]

I won't use clen anymore because the headaches got too bad. That being said, clen + T3 + cardio + diet = super duper trooper results. Awesome for cutting.

did it so many times and the results were always blah. i recommend it to no one because money could be invested in better supps in my opinion. and the headaches were ridiculous.

[davidinvienna]

so you guys reckon that i'll be better of using Ephedra?

[Bulkcut]

so you guys reckon that i'll be better of using Ephedra?

i was gonna use clen but i decided to go with ECA: Ephedrin 25mg Caffine 200mg Asprin 100mg 3 times a day
I used it for only 4 weeks i got great results
doing cardio and abs every day, 6 meals high protien and medium carbs low fat
I think your should only try clen after a test-e cycle to control cortisol level and help cutting but thats just mee

[davidinvienna]

sounds like I m gona make use of my stash of ECA instead ... I ll run Clen for a couple more days to give it a chance - if I feel no results by then I ll dump it and go for ECA

[Hellmaskbanned]

@ 20% clen or ephedra is not needed if your diet is spot on like you claim. Cardio/lifting and a goal specific diet should lower you to 15% in just a few months alone. Ephedra , clean and all that other dangerous shit is not needed by 98% of the ppl who use it.

[davidinvienna]

Hey Hellmask! Thx for your input - really appreciate it. Started using Clen cause I was looking to lower my b/f to as low as possible by Jan since planning to start my 1st cycle Test E.

[davidinvienna]

how low should i get my b/f ideally by Jan in order to start my 1st cycle? not a BB but looking for lean mass gains which i should be able to maintain thereafter with proper pct the right nutrition and training.

[Maldorf]

Noticed you said you were starting a 6 weeker of clen. You shouldnt run it more than 2 or 3 weeks at a time max. 4 tabs/day is plenty, thats what I use. Chances are you have lost some bodyfat, but since your bodyfat % is so high it is not easily noticed. Now when you start out at about 10% bf you can visibly see the results after just 2 weeks.

[davidinvienna]

hey Maldorf - you hava good point there regarding the b/f ... i might not be noticing it as of yet. in terms of the 6weeks thing i was advised by a very credible long time member on here to take it 6weeks straight and simply take Benadryl for 7days in week3 and week 6 (?)

[hugovsilva]

Do you get the shakes?

Run 120mcg clen a day for 2 weeks, then do ephedra for another 2 weeks. Then do it all again. That's how you take clen. Along with diet and cardio works well for me. Don't expect miracles from it.

[skipp]

Do you get the shakes?

Run 120mcg clen a day for 2 weeks, then do ephedra for another 2 weeks. Then do it all again. That's how you take clen.

Wrong.

[stupidhippo]

i second that skip!!

[ghoul000]

Proper way for clen is the way you have it David. If you do research on Clen they say the 2 weeks on/off deal is bs. Dont forget the Benadryl every 3 weeks and recommened cycle is 6-8 weeks.

[davidinvienna]

hey ghoul - i m coming up to the beginning of week 3 this saturday, so will get some Benadryl and run it for 7days throughout that week taking it at nite time before bed ... been told that s the way to take it - right? what s the usual dose of Benadryl per day - is there a recommended min or max? haven t been able to chase up any info regarding that.

[magic32]

Hellmask is absolutely right!

Clen, and everything else for that matter, are supplemental to bb'er nutrition far which exceeds proper nutrition. As such, they cannot be used in place of this. That said, aesthetic results are not gained at such high bf levels.

How are you measuring BF? And if electronically (scale) be sure the time of day is consistent because fluid levels can easily confound your reading.

M.

[davidinvienna]

hi magic!

well as u can see furher below i think my basic nutrition isn't that bad and i do actually stick to that quite rigorously. in terms of the b/f measurement - yes i take that electronically via scale which is why i sumtimes get an 18% reading and sumtimes a 22% reading - hence me takin 20% as the "golden middle" for my stats. funnily enuff my b/f even at 20% doesn't show up as badly as one may expect since it seems to be spread quite evenly and me being lucky as well that i do not have the tendency to put on much of a gut either. always have been more of the rugby player type bein stocky but posessing a fair amount of power. so really i m looking to cut up a little mainly to avoid too much bloating when i start my cycle as well as being able to see some good results.

[powerliftmike]

IMO clen is way overrated as a fat burner and esp as an "anti-catabolic". i still take for asthma as it really helps me out there. i got a buddy that tried clen and didnt do anything for him, so he stopped it and took t3. fat started melting off him with that.

[magic32]

IMO clen is way overrated as a fat burner and esp as an "anti-catabolic". i still take for asthma as it really helps me out there. i got a buddy that tried clen and didnt do anything for him, so he stopped it and took t3. fat started melting off him with that.

This couldn't be more true!

Both it and T3 have become far more legendary than their properties support.
They work, but not nearly up to the current mythical level of their respective reputations.

Only the preeminent 'DNP' can live up the hype that presently circulates with regard to true fat burning.

M.

[skipp]

I personally love clen and swear by it.. I get great results off 200mcg/ed.. no t3 needed

[davidinvienna]

not quite sure bout usin DNP - heard and read some quite disturbin stuff about it .... T3 could be worth a try though

[perfectbeast2001]

what dose are you running david? Clen dosage is different from person to person. Some get results from 60mcg a day and others 200mcg+. Monitor your body temp while gradually increasing dose. Temp will rise by half a degree or so when you have a good dose. You will also find if you attempt to do something delicate with your hand (writing for instance) you will get a little shaking and you will have to concentrate to stop it. You can run clen for as long as you like as long as you up regulate beta receptors either with Ketoifen daily or benadryl every third week. As mentioned not everyone responds well to clen. It is not a miracle drug and cannot make up for a sloppy diet.
In reply to the poster who suggested running ECA in between running clen, bad idea. ECA will down regulate betas just the same as clen will.

[vampishsum]

i ran the three week on three off and try with t3. i got the shakes and mild headaches. plus it kept me awake for sure but when i was on the clen alone i didnt see any thing to wright home about. personal and it just my opinon it worthless. unless ur already cut and just in the last stage of cutting for a show it shouldnt be used for a just fat lost from 30% 20% or even 15%. it more for the 10% and under. but that just me no guroo here. so if your ready for the show and just trying to get that last little bit that more what it for. hope it does work for u david it should for someone.

[magic32]

not quite sure bout usin DNP - heard and read some quite disturbin stuff about it .... T3 could be worth a try though

You're starting to sound like the average gym guy when he refers to roids.

DNP is great stuff, but like the aforementioned roids, it takes knowledge and discipline.

M.

[davidinvienna]

@magic - i know what u say mate, i just had so many guys i know on a personal level who are in fact long time AAS users and pro lifters advise against DNP. what you reckon?

@beast - g'day mate, nice seeing you around again. currently i am running between 80mcgs and 120mcgs/day but i am looking to increase that to a 160mcgs/day dose beginning of next week as well as starting 1week of Benadryl this saturday.

btw, thanks to all of you for your input, critics and advice so far - i do value you taking the time to do so.

[davidinvienna]

got another Q for you guys! should I decide to give DNP a try (after I ve finished up with Clen) what dose/day would you recommend?