Best Size Needle To Use?

[MRRoboto]

I"m wondering what the most preferred needle size is. I am waiting on my gear (testC) to arrive and I need to buy some hardware. I'll be extracting from sachets and placing oil in a sterile vile through a filter. I'll probably shoot my thigh (never injected.) I'm not sure what I should buy for a ten week cycle (2x a week.)

[PROTEINSHAKE]

glutes 1.5" 23guage delts/quads 1" 25guage

[milmus]

glutes 1.5" 23guage delts/quads 1" 25guage

25 guage is a little small for oil don't you think? i use 22 guage 1.5 for every thing.

[MrMe]

25 works well with oil, takes a little time to push it through, but your supose to inject slow to ease the pain either way! I use 25g 1 pins or 1.5 for glutes. I would suggest quads or glutesfor first time.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

not for me its not... I mostly shoot delt/quad. 25g is definitely slower to push...but I'm ok with that. I would NEVER use 1.5" in my delt or quad. It depends on bf % as well

[bazerk]

25 guage is a little small for oil don't you think? i use 22 guage 1.5 for every thing.

For drawing purposes I agree with you.

[Rye_guy]

25 guage is a little small for oil don't you think? i use 22 guage 1.5 for every thing.

thats what I use. 22 1.5 works great for me.

[ascendant]

25 works well with oil, takes a little time to push it through, but your supose to inject slow to ease the pain either way! I use 25g 1 pins or 1.5 for glutes. I would suggest quads or glutesfor first time.

i agree completely here. i use 25g for my stuff as well, oil or not. with oil-based gear, a 25g will take about 2mins or so to suck up 1cc. pushing it in doesn't take quite as long though, it's just the initial drawing from the vial. however, you can push 1cc out through 25g in about 10seconds if you really tried. main reason i use 25g for everything is less scar tissue than going with the bigger ones. now, i'd rather spend an extra minute drawing up my gear as opposed to having more scar tissue than i have to.

[ascendant]

not for me its not... I mostly shoot delt/quad. 25g is definitely slower to push...but I'm ok with that. I would NEVER use 1.5" in my delt or quad. It depends on bf % as well

for starters, delt isn't an ideal area to inject. quads and glutes are better. reasoning behind this is studies have indicated not as much is absorbed (or at least not as efficiently) through smaller muscle groups, particularly the delts compared to the quads/glutes.

as far as not using 1.5" in my delt, i completely agree, but in your quad? cmon man, if you're afraid to push a 1.5" pin into your quad, you need to work those legs a bit more in the gym bro! hey, the deeper into the muscle tissue you get, the better.

regardless, all you need are 1.5" needles. when going on quads if you don't want to go as deep, just go part of the way in. no need to get all kinds of different needles for different injection sites IMO.

[MrTAME]

Meh, the 1.5 inch needles are like freakin arrows...I actually use 1 ich needles and push the pin all the way in...I only do quad injections. I have never ever had a problem with my gear not getting deep enough with a 1 inch pin...still grow like a mad man. Also I dont really have all that much fat on my legs at all so for me there is almost no fat to push through...If 1 inch has been doing me well then I'll keep to it. As for the guage I use 22...but with all this talk about 25's I think I'll give them a try.

[goalseeker]

23g, 1" for everything... but yes, It depends on your bf%..

[rafael]

22 gauge for oil. anything higher is to damn small imho

[PROTEINSHAKE]

for starters, delt isn't an ideal area to inject. quads and glutes are better. reasoning behind this is studies have indicated not as much is absorbed (or at least not as efficiently) through smaller muscle groups, particularly the delts compared to the quads/glutes.

as far as not using 1.5" in my delt, i completely agree, but in your quad? cmon man, if you're afraid to push a 1.5" pin into your quad, you need to work those legs a bit more in the gym bro! hey, the deeper into the muscle tissue you get, the better.

regardless, all you need are 1.5" needles. when going on quads if you don't want to go as deep, just go part of the way in. no need to get all kinds of different needles for different injection sites IMO.

Its got nothing to do with being afraid..needles dont bother me one bit. Like I said before....it depends on bf% There is no need for me to shoot a 1.5 in my quad..so why would I? pins are cheap & available....I use the ones that work best for me. If yuor bf% is higher.....obviously you need a longer stick.. 23g or 25g to shoot get 18g if you care about loading quickly-then switch it. and as for delts injections being less than ideal...why do guys shoot bis/tris/ calves if its not as effictive?? i dont know where that study was done but I really dont think it makes much difference.Its about shooting easily & efficiently

[skipp]

23g, 1" for everything... but yes, It depends on your bf%..

exact same as me

[ascendant]

There is no need for me to shoot a 1.5 in my quad..so why would I? ....I use the ones that work best for me...

as far as you having no need to go 1.5" deep, there's also no need for a person to take fat-burners while cutting either. however, using fat-burners while cutting makes your cutting process far more effective. now, how do you know going 1" rather than 1.5" "works best" for you? what does that extra 1/2" matter? why not just do it knowing that it may very well increase the gears absorption and hence, it's effectiveness? studies have shown time and time again that deeper muscle tissue absorbs the gear more effectively. if you really need proof, i'll look around on pubmed and see what i can pull up on the matter.

..as for delts injections being less than ideal...why do guys shoot bis/tris/ calves if its not as effictive?? i dont know where that study was done but I really dont think it makes much difference.Its about shooting easily & efficiently

the reason people shoot them is because many simply don't know this information or think it really doesn't make much of a difference, which for a long time i didn't either. however, this thread has some info that is very hard to refute considering this guy probably knows more about gear than the people who made it in the first place. just look for the post by anthony roberts with the graph: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=267385 as you can see by the graph, it makes quite a significant difference. it's not just about shooting "easily and efficiently" as you stated. it's about injecting intelligently and well-informed to get the most out of your cycle.

[goalseeker]

exact same as me

and I pull with 18's.....
cuz for 15 cents I'll take the quick drawing anyday....

[cdial53]

1.5" 25 G

The injection takes a little bit longer but goes in alot easier

[tj979]

If your going in to your thigh a 25 g one inch needle will be fine

[PROTEINSHAKE]

ASCENDANT..... your comments are noted...we could go back & forth on this all day.. you make valid points as do I. I will continue to shoot the way I have been because it has been successful for me & I can only speak for myself. I think if we were to poll on this the MAJORITY would say 1.5" is preferred for glutes & 1" for everywhere else.So, the MAJORITY would be wrong & not shooting "intelligently" ? Like I said...your points are taken & well made as are mine.. needle size isnt rocket science.