Proper Use of Clenbuterol Is....?

[BGIZZLE8629]

What's up?

I am about to start a cycle very shortly that consists of:
TEST CYP:400mg/wk for 10wks
Proviron:25mg/day for 10wks
Nolvadex:10mg/day for 10wks
HCG:500iu/5th day in wks 3-4 and again in wks 9-10...

The question is: Would it be safe to throw CLEN in my cycle somewhere???

My PCT:
Clomid:300mg/day1, 100mg/days 2-11, 50mg/days 12-25 and Nolvadex:10mg/ed for about 40-45 days after last TEST INJ........

Would it be better to throw in CLEN into my PCT or to just wait until after my cycle and after my PCT to throw it in??? I really need to drop B/F.

I suppose somebody really needs to know their sh*t to know the answers to these..... Thanks for the info if somebody can give it to me.

20yrs, 6 ft, 220lbs, 16-19% B/F

[shrpskn]

Proper Use of Clenbuterol Is:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240

As far as running it during or after PCT, that's your call. I don't think it makes a difference.

[ghoul000]

You do it after. It down grades the receptors that abosorb test ect. Read the profile on clen, theres a product you can take that will prevent it. Tells you in there. But is recommened to do after your cycle, its good to add into the pct.
Drop the nolva dude, it can restrict gains, take aromasin. Much better.

[ascendant]

You do it after. It down grades the receptors that abosorb test ect. Read the profile on clen, theres a product you can take that will prevent it. Tells you in there. But is recommened to do after your cycle, its good to add into the pct.
Drop the nolva dude, it can restrict gains, take aromasin. Much better.

i agree, but just so you know, either aromasin or arimidex will work just as well. however, definitely do not do nolvadex in a cycle. i know first hand it seriously affects your gains.

[ascendant]

now for starters, why are you even considering a cycle with your bf at 16-19%? a cycle of test like that should be used for bulking, not for cutting. you're going to waste a cycle.

doing gear with that much bf is going to dramatically increase the amount of aromitization that will occur. you need to drop your bf BEFORE doing a cycle, not during or after. simply taking clen while on a cycle like that will not magically cut you up. you need to drop your cals, increase your cardio, and focus on getting that bf down before anything else, and you WILL NOT be gaining muscle while losing fat. it's not always about size man, it's about looking good too, and i can assure you that at 16-19%bf, it's not looking good at all.

lastly, at 20 years old, you really shouldn't be considering gear in the first place. you're looking at potentially putting yourself on hrt by doing a cycle that young. i didn't touch any until i was 23, and ideally IMO you should wait another year or two, but that's really up to you.

all in all, i just think what you're doing is a bad idea. i say hold off the gear and spend the next 2-3months cutting up, at least until you get to the single digits. then, you can consider doing a cycle.

[ghoul000]

I actually used arimidex, until Monday I talked to a well educated guy. Say its effects your lipids. I cannot remember what it was. Maybe someone will realise what Im talking about and say exactly what it does. But there is a neg side effect aromasin doesnt have.

[BGIZZLE8629]

now for starters, why are you even considering a cycle with your bf at 16-19%? a cycle of test like that should be used for bulking, not for cutting. you're going to waste a cycle.

doing gear with that much bf is going to dramatically increase the amount of aromitization that will occur. you need to drop your bf BEFORE doing a cycle, not during or after. simply taking clen while on a cycle like that will not magically cut you up. you need to drop your cals, increase your cardio, and focus on getting that bf down before anything else, and you WILL NOT be gaining muscle while losing fat. it's not always about size man, it's about looking good too, and i can assure you that at 16-19%bf, it's not looking good at all.

lastly, at 20 years old, you really shouldn't be considering gear in the first place. you're looking at potentially putting yourself on hrt by doing a cycle that young. i didn't touch any until i was 23, and ideally IMO you should wait another year or two, but that's really up to you.

all in all, i just think what you're doing is a bad idea. i say hold off the gear and spend the next 2-3months cutting up, at least until you get to the single digits. then, you can consider doing a cycle.

even dieting and doing cardio does not get my bf down low enough. Do you think I should use Clen while I am trying to get my b/f % down?? Basically, I am just going to need more than dieting and cardio to get my b/f down what else can I do?? and I don't even know what HRT stands for.
_____ Replacement Therapy? Thanks for the info.

[JohnboyF]

even dieting and doing cardio does not get my bf down low enough. Do you think I should use Clen while I am trying to get my b/f % down?? Basically, I am just going to need more than dieting and cardio to get my b/f down what else can I do?? and I don't even know what HRT stands for.
_____ Replacement Therapy? Thanks for the info.

Are you sure diet and cardio is not working for you?

What is your cardio like and your diet? No need to play with clen if you have high bf imo

[V_Vandetta]

even dieting and doing cardio does not get my bf down low enough. Do you think I should use Clen while I am trying to get my b/f % down?? Basically, I am just going to need more than dieting and cardio to get my b/f down what else can I do?? and I don't even know what HRT stands for.
_____ Replacement Therapy? Thanks for the info.

Bro Dieting is formost ... No AAS compound can make you loose BF%... diet and cardeio...dropping Bodyfat is what works combined with water intake protein intake ... keeping keytosis in check .... . So my advise would be check the diet fourms and training... fourm.. this will help give you the best start . with getting the BF down ... Not AAS ... Good luck

[BGIZZLE8629]

now for starters, why are you even considering a cycle with your bf at 16-19%? a cycle of test like that should be used for bulking, not for cutting. you're going to waste a cycle.

doing gear with that much bf is going to dramatically increase the amount of aromitization that will occur. you need to drop your bf BEFORE doing a cycle, not during or after. simply taking clen while on a cycle like that will not magically cut you up. you need to drop your cals, increase your cardio, and focus on getting that bf down before anything else, and you WILL NOT be gaining muscle while losing fat. it's not always about size man, it's about looking good too, and i can assure you that at 16-19%bf, it's not looking good at all.

lastly, at 20 years old, you really shouldn't be considering gear in the first place. you're looking at potentially putting yourself on hrt by doing a cycle that young. i didn't touch any until i was 23, and ideally IMO you should wait another year or two, but that's really up to you.

all in all, i just think what you're doing is a bad idea. i say hold off the gear and spend the next 2-3months cutting up, at least until you get to the single digits. then, you can consider doing a cycle.

That's why I am using the proviron because of the high chance of aromatization. How do you figure that anyone can drop b/f 7-10% in two to three months?? There are tons of people on here who have b/f in double digits and are using AAS.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Bro Dieting is formost ... No AAS compound can make you loose BF%... diet and cardeio...dropping Bodyfat is what works combined with water intake protein intake ... keeping keytosis in check .... . So my advise would be check the diet fourms and training... fourm.. this will help give you the best start . with getting the BF down ... Not AAS ... Good luck

I don't know what keytosis is. Thanks for the info

[BGIZZLE8629]

Are you sure diet and cardio is not working for you?

What is your cardio like and your diet? No need to play with clen if you have high bf imo

Why is it that you think that someone with high b/f shouldn't use CLen???

[BGIZZLE8629]

Proper Use of Clenbuterol Is:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240

As far as running it during or after PCT, that's your call. I don't think it makes a difference.

I have looked at the Clenbuterol handbook forum and know that you need Benadryl to counteract the receptor downgrade or whatever but there is like 50 different opinions on how Clen should be ran so that's why I created this thread....to see what the ACTUAL and PROPER way to use it is. Thanks for the feedback.

[ascendant]

That's why I am using the proviron because of the high chance of aromatization. How do you figure that anyone can drop b/f 7-10% in two to three months?? There are tons of people on here who have b/f in double digits and are using AAS.

if you know what you're doing, you can lose about 3/4%bf per week. depending on your bf% and your goal, do the math.

as far as using proviron, though that is an option, now you're having to pump yourself full of more drugs, causing more sides (whether you notice them now or not, internally you're unquestionably increasing your risk).

as far as tons of people who have bf in double digits while using aas, of course there is. there are also people who smoke. there are stupid people everywhere, but that doesn't justify the stupidity.

honestly, you look at yourself in the mirror with a double digit bf%? you can't call yourself a bodybuilder with bf over 12% IMO, and many others as well. keeping lean and looking good is a part of all this, unless you're a powerlifter, then that's a completely different story. but, isn't bodybuilding about looking good for you? now, that extra bf doesn't look good at all, so lose it! why the issue with you getting all defensive about staying fat? i'm trying to discourage people from being fat and you're defending it?

[BGIZZLE8629]

if you know what you're doing, you can lose about 3/4%bf per week. depending on your bf% and your goal, do the math.

as far as using proviron, though that is an option, now you're having to pump yourself full of more drugs, causing more sides (whether you notice them now or not, internally you're unquestionably increasing your risk).

as far as tons of people who have bf in double digits while using aas, of course there is. there are also people who smoke. there are stupid people everywhere, but that doesn't justify the stupidity.

honestly, you look at yourself in the mirror with a double digit bf%? you can't call yourself a bodybuilder with bf over 12% IMO, and many others as well. keeping lean and looking good is a part of all this, unless you're a powerlifter, then that's a completely different story. but, isn't bodybuilding about looking good for you? now, that extra bf doesn't look good at all, so lose it! why the issue with you getting all defensive about staying fat? i'm trying to discourage people from being fat and you're defending it?

First of all, I never said or did anything to be defensive of fat people. I simply stated that there are plenty of people who have double digit b/f percentages and are using AAS. Now, if you want to dog on them and say they are fat and stupid for using AAS then go for it. And is 12% not a double digit number? How can you consider someone/bodybuilder to be stupid for taking AAS while he has 12% b/f, you make no sense. Obviously I am trying to lean up, but smart a** remarks don't really help either. And 2nd of all, I have never in my life heard of someone (who is not doing contest prep) losing 4% b/f in a week. So if you actually know what your'e talking about then clue me in on it. Thanks for your opinions/suggestions.

B.G.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Alright then..... So I guess this thread accomplished nothing in terms of what the actual question is?? Thanks

[ascendant]

First of all, I never said or did anything to be defensive of fat people.

well, you had said tons of people on here use gear with a high bf%, which to me seemed as if you were trying to justify it through numbers. also, i know very well you're trying to justify it so you can use them yourself at the bf% you're at, so lets not start denying things now.

I simply stated that there are plenty of people who have double digit b/f percentages and are using AAS. Now, if you want to dog on them and say they are fat and stupid for using AAS then go for it.

i'm not "dogging" on anyone. i'm being honest. when you get past 11-12% bf, those abs are gone, you have very little muscle definition, no vascularity, and do not have an appealing physique at all. it's just a simple fact. as far as them being stupid, i never actually said that, i just used a basis of comparison. many of those people are simply uneducated about aromatization and the fact that gear doesn't cut you up, which is a very common misconception.

And is 12% not a double digit number? How can you consider someone/bodybuilder to be stupid for taking AAS while he has 12% b/f, you make no sense. Obviously I am trying to lean up, but smart a** remarks don't really help either.

again, i never actually said they were stupid, though some very well are as they don't listen to the advice of others who are more educated in these fields of study. as far as the 12%, i mentioned that as the MAX a person should be at while taking gear, as i was trying to be open about the situation. however, i don't think there's a mod in here who wouldn't agree that being in the single digits is PREFERRED when starting a cycle for many reasons. as far as smart ass remarks, again, they're just honest. if you want someone to sugar coat it and tell you you're going to get the results you want, i'm the wrong person to do it. however, whoever does tell you that will be straight out lying to you.

And 2nd of all, I have never in my life heard of someone (who is not doing contest prep) losing 4% b/f in a week. So if you actually know what your'e talking about then clue me in on it. Thanks for your opinions/suggestions.

you completely misread what i wrote. / means it's a fraction, so 3/4 means three-quarters, not 3 to 4% per week, which would be 3-4. as far as me knowing what i'm talking about, i can assure you i do. however, since you don't like the advice i'm giving you, you're merely looking to critique anything you possibly can about me to discredit me in your own mind.

look, if you really want to get cut while doing a cycle, you need to do a test/tren combo. adding clen won't do crap but keep you from adding muscle while doing your cycle, as all it does is makes you burn more calories. now, how do you expect to gain muscle while on a cycle which requires an excess amount of calories to build with when you'll be taking clen and reducing your excess amount? you'll be completely defeating the purpose there.

you pretty much either bulk or cut, that's it, unless you're messing with HGH or tren. with cutting, you don't need a cycle IMO, but yours is not a cutting cycle, so don't expect to be losing fat while on it.

[ascendant]

Alright then..... So I guess this thread accomplished nothing in terms of what the actual question is?? Thanks

sometimes there are more important matters to address than what a persons question was. i did answer your question in my above post, but i'd take all things into consideration here as part of what you had said to was you wanted to lose fat, which was why you were consdiering the clen. i addressed your question, just not directly. also, you didn't like the answer so you attempted to blow it off and are still waiting for an answer that will please you.

for future reference, i'd suggest being a little more appreciative when advice is thrown your way, as otherwise you'll quickly find people not bothering to in the future, and you my friend need a lot of it from what i've read so far and need to open your mind a bit more to those more educated than you in all this.

[BGIZZLE8629]

sometimes there are more important matters to address than what a persons question was. i did answer your question in my above post, but i'd take all things into consideration here as part of what you had said to was you wanted to lose fat, which was why you were consdiering the clen. i addressed your question, just not directly. also, you didn't like the answer so you attempted to blow it off and are still waiting for an answer that will please you.

for future reference, i'd suggest being a little more appreciative when advice is thrown your way, as otherwise you'll quickly find people not bothering to in the future, and you my friend need a lot of it from what i've read so far and need to open your mind a bit more to those more educated than you in all this.

Actually, I didn't blow off your response. I responded to your response and you didnt say anything else. Oh, and I am very appreciative to everyone who has given me advice. I just don't appreciate when someone completely downs everything I am going to do and basically calls me a fat *ss. I dont know of too many people who are appreciative of that kind of criticism. My mind is wide open to whatever somebody wants to tell me. And as "from what i've read so far and need to open your mind a bit more to those more educated than you in all this"........ I have no idea of WTF you are talking about so you can take that somewhere else.

Oh and thanks for your advice.

[shrpskn]

Oh oh...

[ascendant]

Actually, I didn't blow off your response. I responded to your response and you didnt say anything else. Oh, and I am very appreciative to everyone who has given me advice. I just don't appreciate when someone completely downs everything I am going to do and basically calls me a fat *ss. I dont know of too many people who are appreciative of that kind of criticism. My mind is wide open to whatever somebody wants to tell me. And as "from what i've read so far and need to open your mind a bit more to those more educated than you in all this"........ I have no idea of WTF you are talking about so you can take that somewhere else.

Oh and thanks for your advice.

i can't help but feel a bit of sarcasm in that "thanks" at the end.

well, if you like the way you look at the bf% you're at then that's fine. i'm just trying to help you look better, feel better, and be more appealing to the opposite sex, or whoever it is you're looking to attract. you asked a question, i gave an answer, and for it i was criticized. go figure.

as far as criticism, i gave you constructive criticism, nothing more. i can see however you're far too defensive to take it openly and on that note i'll be done here, as will any others i can assure you.

as far as you having no idea what i was talking about above, i will gladly take "that" somewhere else where people will understand what i'm talking about. sorry it was over your head.

[BGIZZLE8629]

You are a funny guy. The FEMALES dont complain. I dont know about you. Don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out. Later. Thanks again for the Constructive Criticism