Insulin, Long Slow + Fast Short Acting

[ACAZORES]

My friend is 300 pounds and lifts huge amounts of weights and never took aas, one of his theorys for gaining mass from slin use is to do something like this:
First thing in the morning he says we should take Long Slow acting slin and with every meal we should take a few units of fast short acting slin, do u think this makes sence?

[Gear]

I think it's a quik way to gain fat. Insulin is mostly beneficial PWO and that's the only time I would take it. Insulin isn't a drug that will pack on weight or strength. It is great for recovery only, nothing else. Be lucky if you gain a few LB from insulin. Some people say they gain heaps of weight from insulin. I don't believe insulin is responsible for that.

-Gear

[perfectbeast2001]

sounds pretty risky too. Taking a long acting slin means you could have a hypo at any time the slin is active so if you got stuck somewhere without carbs your in the shit, also I would not sleep while slin is active so no napping all day, I like to nap!

[BigLittleTim]

Has anyone read Anthony Roberts' steroid book?

In his section on insulin he postulates that using Humalin-R (the insulin most widely available in the U.S. due to its over-the-counter status), in small doses with each meal, might be the best way to use this product.

He also refers to it as a "fast acting" insulin. Is this in comparision to the other Humalins, factoring out Humalog (which is not readily available)?

Just trying to reconcile a few different theories and schools of thought here.

Your input is always appreciated, gents.

-BigLittleTim

[perfectbeast2001]

you could use it like that but with multiple injections come the worry of going hypo any time of the day and evening which i do not want. Humulin R was considered fast acting until the likes of humalog and novorapid came about. These super fast acting slins are ideal for bodybuilding purposes as they are easier to use safely and they work.

[*Narkissos*]

Has anyone read Anthony Roberts' steroid book?

In his section on insulin he postulates that using Humalin-R (the insulin most widely available in the U.S. due to its over-the-counter status), in small doses with each meal, might be the best way to use this product.


-BigLittleTim

Actually it postulates that insulin with each meal might be an effective use of the compound.. but with this protocol the risk-to-benefit ratio increases significantly: in favour of net risk.

I do know someone who's used a similar protocol...

For it to work the diet must be spot-on.

And an anal attention to detail must be enforced.

There're a lot of risks. Though pancreatic atrophy hasn't been documented.. it would not be wise to discount it.

etc.

Narkissos

[BigLittleTim]

Actually it postulates that insulin with each meal might be an effective use of the compound.. but with this protocol the risk-to-benefit ratio increases significantly: in favour of net risk.

I do know someone who's used a similar protocol...

For it to work the diet must be spot-on.

And an anal attention to detail must be enforced.

There're a lot of risks. Though pancreatic atrophy hasn't been documented.. it would not be wise to discount it.

etc.

Narkissos

Narkissos,
When you say the diet must be spot-on, and there are lots of risks, do you mean: Using insulin like this (2iu. per meal) gives a greater chance to put on unwanted weight (fat) or: It gives you a greater chance of going hyperglycemic?

-BigLittleTim

[*Narkissos*]

Narkissos,
When you say the diet must be spot-on

To prevent, at one end of the spectrum, hypoglycemic episodes.. and at the other end of the spectrum, fat accumulation.

and there are lots of risks, do you mean: Using insulin like this (2iu. per meal) gives a greater chance to put on unwanted weight (fat) or: It gives you a greater chance of going hyperglycemic?

Risks:

There're a lot of risks. Though pancreatic atrophy hasn't been documented.. it would not be wise to discount it.

Post-prandial insulin-use has been suggested (by those that've used insulin for longer than the board recommended cycles) as not suppressive to the pancreas namely because it is one isolated application.. a couple times per week at most (4-6 depending on number of training days). The application of a small amount (2-4 IUs per meal) however.. would mimic 'normal' insulin release. You'd be going from 6 administrations per week.. so 35+. Comparatively.. this would increase the risk of suppression.. If such is indeed possible.

As alluded to above.. Tho undocumented, it would be unwise to discount its possibility.

Other risks include insulin resistance.

Narkissos

[BigLittleTim]

To prevent, at one end of the spectrum, hypoglycemic episodes.. and at the other end of the spectrum, fat accumulation.



Risks:



Post-prandial insulin-use has been suggested (by those that've used insulin for longer than the board recommended cycles) as not suppressive to the pancreas namely because it is one isolated application.. a couple times per week at most (4-6 depending on number of training days). The application of a small amount (2-4 IUs per meal) however.. would mimic 'normal' insulin release. You'd be going from 6 administrations per week.. so 35+. Comparatively.. this would increase the risk of suppression.. If such is indeed possible.

As alluded to above.. Tho undocumented, it would be unwise to discount its possibility.

Other risks include insulin resistance.

Narkissos

Suppression and resistance were what I was really worried about, back of all this. Thanks for saying the actual words.

Also; first time I've seen "post prandial" followed by the word "insulin" and not "brandy".

-BigLittleTim

[*Narkissos*]

Suppression and resistance were what I was really worried about, back of all this. Thanks for saying the actual words.

Also; first time I've seen "post prandial" followed by the word "insulin" and not "brandy".

-BigLittleTim

lol.. i like your posting style.

[BigLittleTim]

lol.. i like your posting style.