PCT dilemma in Deca-Test-Dbol cycle

[Steerhard]

I’m about to start my second cycle. My first cycle was a year ago; was on Test e 500mg/ew only and Nolva & Clomid for PCT. I’m 27 Years Old, 5'6", 154 lbs, 12% bf. My second cycle is pretty much worked out and I need some advice on PCT and Clen specifically. I think I was most prone to water retention, especially in the face.

SECOND CYCLE (NEW!):
Week 1-12: Test e 500mg/ew (250mg twice a week)
Week 1-10: Deca 300mg/ew (200mg, 100mg)
Week 1-4: Dbol 30mg/ed
Week 1-14: Liquidex 0.5mg/ed
Week 1-17: Vitamin B6 200mg/ed

Week 15-17 (PCT):
Clomid Day 1:300mg, Day 2-11:100mg/ed, Day 12-21:50mg/ed
Nolva Day 1-21: 20mg/ed

Week 15-16:
Clen
Day 1: 20mcg,
Day 2: 40mg,
Day 3: 60mg,
Day 4-5: 80mg/ed,
Day 5-12: 100mg/ed,
Day 13: 80mg,
Day 14: 60mg

QUESTIONS:
1. I am prone to water bloat and have thrown in Liquidex during cycle. For PCT, I have planned for 2 SERMs (Clomid and Nolva). Should I include Liquidex (AI) in PCT as well or use it to substitute one of the SERMs? I’ve read that using Liquidex and Nolva together diminishes their effects.

2. I also have some Proviron. Should I use Proviron (AI) in PCT 25mg/ed along with Nolva and Clomid instead of the Liquidex?

3. I’m trying out Clen during PCT to prevent catabolism. Am I running it correctly though?

4. I’ve read that we should use it with T3 for cramps? Is T3 absolutely a must?

Thanks for your feedback.

[shrpskn]

I think your setup looks fine.

From what I understand, taurine is supposed to help combat any potential cramps from clen.

Proviron isn't all that bad of an idea as well. I run it all cycle and throughout PCT at 50mg/ed.

For any further clen advice, I'd check out beasts' clen faq's thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240 and you should know what you would like to do or at least ask questions in that thread, as I've seen beast diligently helping others out in that thread that have any questions.

Good luck,

-ShrpSkn

[guest589745]

Proviron seems better and better the more I read about it.

It binds to SHBG so that alone is worth taking it during a cycle and even pct.

[magic32]

QUESTIONS:
1. Should I include Liquidex (AI) in PCT as well or use it to substitute one of the SERMs?
Not necessary.
2. I also have some Proviron. Should I use Proviron (AI) in PCT 25mg/ed along with Nolva and Clomid instead of the Liquidex?
People experience different results in this area and eventually settle on a favorite, this however comes through trial and error.
3. I’m trying out Clen during PCT to prevent catabolism. Am I running it correctly though?
Looks good, though you don't really have to cycle down.
4. I’ve read that we should use it with T3 for cramps?
No, T3 assists fat loss, while L-Taurine relieves cramping.

Thanks for your feedback.

Best to you,

M.

[Steerhard]

Hey thanks all for your feedback!

I'll definitely be using the Liquidex during cycle, after all the posts i've read about the effectiveness of Arimidex on face bloating. So it's down to either Liquidex or Proviron for PCT in addition to Nolva and Clomid. Like Magic32 said, it'll come through trial and error. Is it ok if I switch halfway thru the cycle using Proviron instead of Liquidex if I find myself bloating uncontrollably?

Has anyone experience bad bloat with Deca-Test-Dbol and rid of it successfully later?

[Tommy Boy]

I've been taking Proviron.25 ED and Adex.25 ED. Also on Tbol-Deca-Test Cycle.
No bloat. Horny as a goat !!! Tbol is only diff. gained 8-9 pounds first month.