Best stuff for fat loss/muscle gain?

[kingwolf]

Im new at this and I don't know anybody who does this stuff so I need sme advice. I'm trying to lose fat and gain lean mass quickly, what is the best cycle for this? I have a solid diet and program but I wnat some chemical assistance. I live in canada.

I have heard clenbuterol is good for weight loss what other drugs are?

thanks for your help guys.

[Xtralarg]

Its hard to build muscle and burn fat at the same time.

What are your stats?

[stupidhippo]

unless u a beginner its really hard to lose fat and build muscle at the same time. In big amounts atleast.

[valcon]

to burn fat , diet and cardio, and with enough cardio your legs will grow

[stupidhippo]

to burn fat , diet and cardio, and with enough cardio your legs will grow

yeah just look at bike riders or marathonists, their legs are huge!!!!

[hawktribal]

yeah just look at bike riders or marathonists, their legs are huge!!!!

didn't lance just set some kind of squat record?

[perfectbeast2001]

Gh

[lifterjaydawg]

Have you looked ino clen? If your looking to burn some fat then clen will work. It's a strong chem so be sure to do your research.

[Bigmax]

Hey bro,welcome to AR...Before you start using any kind of AAS or pharmaceutical...do some work on your nutrition and cardio...you dont necessarily need these thing to burn fat...too many people think if they use something they are going to get to their goal and thats Bullsh*t.

[marcus300]

The best way to attack fat loss is to do with diet,cardio and hardwork, if you get as much fat off as possible naturally first, then consider taking something to lose the stubborn fat whats left.

[Bigmax]

I just said that!!!!LOL...Whats up marcus...hey you got pm bro..

[Getbig06]

Hey bro,welcome to AR...Before you start using any kind of AAS or pharmaceutical...do some work on your nutrition and cardio...you dont necessarily need these thing to burn fat...too many people think if they use something they are going to get to their goal and thats Bullsh*t.

you can take AAS, but if your diet and cardio aren't right.... You'll be wasting your time.

[kingwolf]

I am 6-5 and weigh 340, I gained about 40 pounds after blowing out both knees less than a year apart. I have begun swimming and doing cardio on the eliptical. I dont want to lose too much weight as I still play football but I wnat to regain my strength and mobility and lose fat. I know AS are not the easy way and that you still have to train, I just need something to help get me over the hump and help my recovery time so I can hit the gym harder.

I am doing this on my own by doing research on the net, I have begun eating baked chicken breasts and tuna along with protein shakes trying for 6 small meals a day. I am cutting carbs down bigtime and fat as well.

I used Finabolan in 2000 along with clen and had pretty good results. I know though that this world is always changing so I was wondering what advancements in AS and supplements are real (thats the problem with the Net is that there is so much BS out there. I figured you guys would know the real deal.

I would appreciate any suggestions for diet, supplements, AS and fat burners, I am in perfect health other than being too damn fat so thats not a concern. I used to be 300 pounds and had a 34 inch waist and a low body fat percentage when I was in college now I have a 44 inch waist and im soft!

[guest589745]

high doses of nandrolone phenylpropionate have been shown to reduce bodyfat drasticallly with no change in diet or training.

Oh yea and diet/cardio.

[plzr8]

Gh

[OldUncle]

Every time I say this anywhere, I get flamed. But since it's true, I'm going to say it again: I've never burned more bodyfat than when I do high frequency, high intensity back squat training. If you bang out ten sets of five hard ones three days a week, you'll grow, get stronger, and strip off fat. Add some testosterone and it's magic. Try it and see...

[kynetguy]

Every time I say this anywhere, I get flamed. But since it's true, I'm going to say it again: I've never burned more bodyfat than when I do high frequency, high intensity back squat training. If you bang out ten sets of five hard ones three days a week, you'll grow, get stronger, and strip off fat. Add some testosterone and it's magic. Try it and see...

I agree with this. Squats are the shiznit for developing a better overal strength. They will totally depleate glycogen in your body. They only thing is, you have to be at near failure for each set.

Oh, and use your head, WEAR YOUR BELT. (I know that seems obvious, but I see SO MANY bone-heads at the gym without one squating 2-4 plates on each side. A disaster waiting to happen) It takes abotu .1 seconds to throw out a back and be haunted with it for the rest of your life.

[briancb1]

I've heard quite a debate about the belts....

[kynetguy]

I've heard quite a debate about the belts....

I have too. But I guess being old school and having injured my back in a car accident in high school, I don't mess around. I know from my expirience I FEEL a difference and feel more stable.

If you have ever litterally felt a vertabrae shift followed by the inability to get your ass off the floor....your views would be clear. I am very cautious about my back.

I dont do squats anymore in fear of that happening under weight. Never had it happen, never want it to either. :-)

[crazycrab]

I have been using clen for 3 weeks with good diet and AM cardio. lost 11 ponds in three weeks. I am sure some of the weight is water but seems to be working. I also agree with the belt.

[pigrond]

im using clen for almost 3 week and doing cardio eod am cardio when i can and im losing average about 1/2 lb a day i weighed 199 this morning i was 212 when i started .the shakes are startin to bother me a bit its hard to write or type plus i keep dropping nuts and bolts and tools at work.but ya clen + cardio works

[*Narkissos*]

Oh, and use your head, WEAR YOUR BELT. (I know that seems obvious, but I see SO MANY bone-heads at the gym without one squating 2-4 plates on each side. A disaster waiting to happen) It takes abotu .1 seconds to throw out a back and be haunted with it for the rest of your life.

Guess i'm a 'bone head'.

[*Narkissos*]

I am 6-5 and weigh 340, I gained about 40 pounds after blowing out both knees less than a year apart. I have begun swimming and doing cardio on the eliptical. I dont want to lose too much weight as I still play football but I wnat to regain my strength and mobility and lose fat. I know AS are not the easy way and that you still have to train, I just need something to help get me over the hump and help my recovery time so I can hit the gym harder.

What hump?

Correct me if i mis-read... but from the sounds of it you're just getting back into a fixed regime.

Congrats on trying to get your diet back on track by the way... That, in my opinion, should be your focus.

[kynetguy]

Guess i'm a 'bone head'.

Well, having had lower back problems you wouldnt catch me squatting or dead lifting without one. The added support and security of a belt eases my mind. I find that if I take care of it, it takes care of me.

I think you know the kind of bone heads I am talking about. I dont think at your level of training anyone would call you a bone head.

But I am always interested in the for/against belt arguments. I personally have not heard any compelling arguments for not wearing one.

[OldUncle]

I don't wear a belt. The compelling arguments are twofold:

First, they make your blood pressure go up significantly while you are lifting. That's the trivial one, but it is a fact.

Second, they limit the adaptive stress of the exercise. I want a strong back, not legs that can handle 700 pounds and a back so brittle that 225 blows out a disk. Belts make you weak. (I do wear one in competition - it's worth maybe 25 pounds on my squat).

PS, I've blown out two disks maybe 15 years ago, suffered with sciatica for years, etc. But ever since I started doing heavy squat, good morning, stiff legs, power cleans, and all the other 'must wear a belt' exercises without one I've never had another back problem.

[cfiler]

I am 6-5 and weigh 340, I gained about 40 pounds after blowing out both knees less than a year apart. I have begun swimming and doing cardio on the eliptical. I dont want to lose too much weight as I still play football but I wnat to regain my strength and mobility and lose fat. I know AS are not the easy way and that you still have to train, I just need something to help get me over the hump and help my recovery time so I can hit the gym harder.

I am doing this on my own by doing research on the net, I have begun eating baked chicken breasts and tuna along with protein shakes trying for 6 small meals a day. I am cutting carbs down bigtime and fat as well.

I used Finabolan in 2000 along with clen and had pretty good results. I know though that this world is always changing so I was wondering what advancements in AS and supplements are real (thats the problem with the Net is that there is so much BS out there. I figured you guys would know the real deal.

I would appreciate any suggestions for diet, supplements, AS and fat burners, I am in perfect health other than being too damn fat so thats not a concern. I used to be 300 pounds and had a 34 inch waist and a low body fat percentage when I was in college now I have a 44 inch waist and im soft!

Doesn't sound like you are ready for aas.

Keep working out naturally, and build up a better base.

[GHO5T]

I am 6-5 and weigh 340, I gained about 40 pounds after blowing out both knees less than a year apart. I have begun swimming and doing cardio on the eliptical. I dont want to lose too much weight as I still play football but I wnat to regain my strength and mobility and lose fat. I know AS are not the easy way and that you still have to train, I just need something to help get me over the hump and help my recovery time so I can hit the gym harder.

I am doing this on my own by doing research on the net, I have begun eating baked chicken breasts and tuna along with protein shakes trying for 6 small meals a day. I am cutting carbs down bigtime and fat as well.

I used Finabolan in 2000 along with clen and had pretty good results. I know though that this world is always changing so I was wondering what advancements in AS and supplements are real (thats the problem with the Net is that there is so much BS out there. I figured you guys would know the real deal.

I would appreciate any suggestions for diet, supplements, AS and fat burners, I am in perfect health other than being too damn fat so thats not a concern. I used to be 300 pounds and had a 34 inch waist and a low body fat percentage when I was in college now I have a 44 inch waist and im soft!

what kind of bf percentage are we talking about?

[Snrf]

he said he was 9% in another thread, ignored requests for pics tho...

[frank12391]

I'm a beginer, I introduced primo at the last 5 weeks of my cycle and I began to shred body fat, I don't think it did much for muscle growth. I did it again with the same result. Maybe winny might work better, dunno, I'm just not prepared for eod injections of that stuff.

[smiler]

so many guys say you can't lose bf and gain muscle, although from a bbs point of view that's basically true. but for the non bb, say football player, such as yourself, lifting weights, packing on muscle is by far one of the bast, and easyest ways to lose some fat. just by having more muscle, you burn more calories all day. not to mention if you lift in such a manner that you significantly raise your heart beat (short rest periods) your matabolism becomes much faster. for bbs, it's a whole different story, i mean in that world 10% is considered fat. so, imo, if you have some prev. gear experience...i love test/ tren for what you are looking to accomplish. i've heard great things about igf but never tried it...yet

[kingwolf]

he said he was 9% in another thread, ignored requests for pics tho...

UHH i CALL BULL SHIT, THIS IS THE ONLY THREAD i HAVE POSTED IN.

I doubt I have ever been lower than 20% if i was at 9 would I be here?

for the rest of you,thanks for the advice, I am going to stick with Diet, elliptical swimming and such for now but I am thinking about t3, clen and nandrolone phenylpropionate because I find im tired all the time and my recovery time is too long (im 29) .

I have one more question though, I have heard about some gear that actually helps joints as well as gets you stronger, I have two bad knees that are limiting my cardio (I used to do stairs and sprint train) is there such a thing? I heard some of the guys I do strong man with talking about it .

I appreciate that you guys take the time to help out a noob, I wouldnt even think about this without some sound advice.

[Mista Massive]

I don't wear a belt. The compelling arguments are twofold:

First, they make your blood pressure go up significantly while you are lifting. That's the trivial one, but it is a fact.

Second, they limit the adaptive stress of the exercise. I want a strong back, not legs that can handle 700 pounds and a back so brittle that 225 blows out a disk. Belts make you weak. (I do wear one in competition - it's worth maybe 25 pounds on my squat).

PS, I've blown out two disks maybe 15 years ago, suffered with sciatica for years, etc. But ever since I started doing heavy squat, good morning, stiff legs, power cleans, and all the other 'must wear a belt' exercises without one I've never had another back problem.

i completley agree. i used to wear a belt for squats and deadlifts, i've had sciatica for ages. my sciatica is nearly gone, and i've found that if i squat PROPERLY without a belt, it doesn't aggravate one bit. it aggravated it a lot when i wore a belt though.

[kynetguy]

i completley agree. i used to wear a belt for squats and deadlifts, i've had sciatica for ages. my sciatica is nearly gone, and i've found that if i squat PROPERLY without a belt, it doesn't aggravate one bit. it aggravated it a lot when i wore a belt though.

I hate to say this. . . .but I will anyway.

Maybe I will start low around 185 and start adding these back in my routine. . . .without a belt and see how it goes. If it can help sciatica, it may save me trips to the chiropractor. :-)

[OldUncle]

I guess we can hijack this into a back pain thread...

I read Dr. Sarno's 'Healing Back Pain' after he was on Howard Stern a few times maybe 10 years ago. Since I'd been suffering for years, had tried chiro, rolfing, accupuncture, and everything else except surgery, I figured I'd give Sarno a shot. His basic premise is that it's all in your head, and that the way to get around this is to get mad at your pain and refuse to acknowlege that it exists. That's what I did, and I haven't had a problem since. Got all the Xrays and MRIs to prove that I have two blown-out disks, but zero pain.

Belts also make you mentally weak. If you are sure you'll get hurt if you lift without one, you'll get hurt.

[skribbble]

I want a strong back, not legs that can handle 700 pounds and a back so brittle that 225 blows out a disk. Belts make you weak.

i agree with that. I used to squat without a belt and my squat was insane i was doing 440 for 1 rep. After being forced to use a belt for the past 6 months by my football team im now doing 295 for about 5. Im sure it also doesnt help that we squat once ever 2-3 weeks but still my core feels feeble

[kynetguy]

Well, I have to eat some crow. . .I have been squatting and deal-lifting without a belt. So far so good and yes, I can definately feel it in my core.

So my apologies to the "bone heads." I guess you made me research and learn (as well as try) something new.

Damn I hate admitting being wrong. Its so hard for a type A personality alpha male who is a Leo to boot. . .

[Mista Massive]

alpha?

we'll see who the alpha is when i make you lick my balls while i squat outside the rack with no belt.

[Mista Massive]

oh, i didn't mean that it cured my sciatica, i just meant it doesn't aggravate it as long as my form is perfect.

when i said my scaitica is nearly gone, that is mainly cos all the chiro visits and putting off lower back exercises for a while.