Chiro confused cause my situation is not getting better

[sonar1234]

All thoses rehab exercises to strenghten the neck, and upper back are really taking there toll on me, i get huge muscles spams.

My chiro told me to stop doing them and give that region time to healh up, my posture has changed but he says that the pain should not be coming back like this.

He got x rays so he tells me that its muscle related.

I see him 2-3 times a week, he told me to do cardio and stop doing anything that will put tension or pressure on the upper back and trap region.

This is very discouraging to me, even if he seems positive and tells me i have to be has well.

Sometimes i guess that suicide is very appealing to me, thinking that i will be in pain for the rest of my life, fat and wont be able to enjoy life at all.

He asked if i was always in pain and i told him yes, then he says its not a life, i looked at him and said fukk what do you think?

[Alpha-Male]

man, chiros do good for some people, and i truly believe they genuinely want to help you, but if they made you ALL better, would you need to see them ever again? well, yeah, but not 3 times a week. i had surgery on my l5-s1 disc after going to a chiro for months, physical therapy the same, tried everything in the book...at some point, your discs are done, there's no fixin' 'em with any of those conservative methods...you need an MRI, you need to see what's going on with the soft tissue...xrays are a waste of money in these situations...i'm never gonna be 260 again, but i'm a damn good lookin' 225, and i feel frickin great...it took some time, and some rough patches, and i have to watch how i train, but who cares...your disc is likely herniated, or bulging, and i hate to tell you, once it reaches a certain degree, no chiro or pt in the world can help you, but they'll sure run your credit card and cash you check...most orthos and neurosurgeons like chiros, but only for once/twice a month visits to get those little kinks out, go ahead, ask 'em...three/four times a week is setting the stage for further injury, period. my frat bro is a chiro, and i could tell you some of the shit they go over at his meetings and training seminars...but seriously, get an MRI and/or CT scan, possibly a myelogram, figure out exactly where the pain is coming from, and what your options are...i've been right where you are now bro...

[sonar1234]

Thanks alpha male, the pain is not intense all the time, it just keeps coming back, i have a calcium depot in one of my vertebrae in the neck but everything else is fine, i saw all my disk they have plenty of space between them and there is no hearnia.

The chiro showed me some x rays of another patient that was a lot worst then me, and he was able to fix him up, all is disk in the neck where almost none existent.

How was your pain?

[sonar1234]

I have passed all theses test with success my current chiro made me do them.

So i dont have an hernia, my pain is really not the same thing at all has this its more muscular, muscle spams.
Herniated Disc
The intervertebral discs are avascular biconcave structures that lie between the vertebral bodies. The outer annulus fibrosus of each disc is made of collagen and serves to distribute force around the nucleus pulposus. The nucleus pulposus is composed of proteoglycan and water and acts as a shock-absorbing cushion for the spinal column.
Natural degeneration of the intervertebral discs leads to tearing of the annulus and herniation of the nucleus. A contained herniation is one in which the nucleus protrudes only through the inner layer of annulus. A non-contained herniation has disruption of both inner and outer layers. The substance of the nucleus is extremely inflammatory, initiating a macrophage response and subsequent scarring when it leaks out. Pain from herniation is produced by a variety of factors. The inflammatory response near the spinal column causes nerve irritation and release of substance P which translate to pain. Also, the mechanical compression of nerve roots can cause motor weakness and sensory abnormalities which in the lumbar area classically presents as sciatica. A rare but serious consequence of lumbar disc herniation is cauda equina syndrome.
Cervical
Herniation of a cervical disc usually occurs at C5-C6 or C6-C7 and is posterolateral. Patients are generally young and complain of numbness and radiating pain in the corresponding region. On physical exam, you will find neurologic deficits such as weakness, numbness, and decreased reflexes. Spurling's test is usually positive.
AP and lateral plain films may show spondylosis in older individuals. To visualize the discs, MRI or myelography is best.
Treatment for cervical HNP is conservative, with a soft collar, rest, and NSAIDs. Surgical decompression may be necessary if these measures are unsuccessful.
Lumbar
Again, posterolateral herniation is the most common. Leg pain and weakness generally exceeds back pain in lumbar HNP. L4-L5 is the most common level for lumbar discs to herniate; this causes compression of the segment below because of the anatomic arrangement of the vertebrae. If you suspect that a patient has a herniated lumbar disc, it is important to rule out cauda equina syndrome as this condition requires immediate attention.
On physical exam, patients will have motor and sensory deficits in the affected root distribution. The straight leg raise and bowstring tests will be positive.

[Alpha-Male]

well, yeah, my pain was excrutiating, but keep in mind, xrays cannot necessarily detect bulging/herniated discs...i'd still try a neurosurgeon or orthopaedic surgeon, there's a reason they go to school five times longer than chiro's JMO though...

alpha

[sonar1234]

Yeah Alpha-Male i remember your post, sad that a lot of people have to go true so much pain in there lives.

I am glad that your situation is a lot better. This chiro is really a great guy, he gave me x rays yesterday again since my problem was still not solve and didnt charge me a cent.

He did more test and it turns out that from the x rays my posture has changed, its normal that pain sets in cause of all the reajustments.

He also said that if worst came to worst and it really didnt work with him that he will refer me to someone else but that for now my case isnt the worst he ever saw, and that he wont let me down.

We are working on getting me back in the gym too, i am doing a lot of cardio around 1:30 to 2 hours a day and i am alright now its for the weight training part.

[Doc.Sust]

well, yeah, my pain was excrutiating, but keep in mind, xrays cannot necessarily detect bulging/herniated discs...i'd still try a neurosurgeon or orthopaedic surgeon, there's a reason they go to school five times longer than chiro's JMO though...

alpha

couldnt agree with you more! but ortos dont go to school any longer than chiros, but they have a residency and a fellow ship where they learn on the job at the hospital. chrios and pt dont do this.

sonar, i told you, you need an mri. i refer people for mri's all the time, your chiro can do the same. get him to wrote you a referal slip