Orals vs. injections

[natelew]

Which do you think is better, I know injections are supposed to be better b/c not as much gets blocked by the liver as orals do and are also bettter on your liver, but from what I hear alot of people are stearing away from injections now, and how much more effective will injections be than oral's? im planning on doing a 12 week cycle of Test E with a 4 week Dianabol kickstart, and wait a couple months and do a cycle of clen. to cut down, I want to run the test e and dbol first b/c clen. messes with your steroid receptor sites

[Hellmaskbanned]

Your question Is not specific at all....Which is better? ....

Both are GOOD.

[fLgAtOr]

Which do you think is better, I know injections are supposed to be better b/c not as much gets blocked by the liver as orals do and are also bettter on your liver, but from what I hear alot of people are stearing away from injections now, and how much more effective will injections be than oral's? im planning on doing a 12 week cycle of Test E with a 4 week Dianabol kickstart, and wait a couple months and do a cycle of clen. to cut down, I want to run the test e and dbol first b/c clen. messes with your steroid receptor sites

Huh?

Both are good as said above...They all have different uses though. You use a compound based on its good/bad side effects.

[Coop77]

Which do you think is better, I know injections are supposed to be better b/c not as much gets blocked by the liver as orals do and are also bettter on your liver, but from what I hear alot of people are stearing away from injections now, and how much more effective will injections be than oral's? im planning on doing a 12 week cycle of Test E with a 4 week Dianabol kickstart, and wait a couple months and do a cycle of clen. to cut down, I want to run the test e and dbol first b/c clen. messes with your steroid receptor sites

Nobody's steering away from injections.

[natelew]

ok, sorry for not being specific enough, what makes somebody want to inject when you could just take a pill and it would be less painful, are injections more powerful, also does that sound like a good beginner cycle???

[Jiesel]

ok, sorry for not being specific enough, what makes somebody want to inject when you could just take a pill and it would be less painful, are injections more powerful, also does that sound like a good beginner cycle???

If you think the actual shot is painful then your not ready...I can understand when people say they dont like needles for geting over the mental factor but the small pinch should be the least of your concern, you should be hurting worst from how bad you kicked your ass in the gym....

orals only are no good on ur liver and you lose most of your results to sum things up....taking the combo is best, the oral will Jump start your cycle since orals give quicker results

[Jiesel]

Nobody's steering away from injections.

in fact I think everyone steers more towards injections

[GFLEXXX]

Huh?

Both are good as said above...They all have different uses though. You use a compound based on its good/bad side effects.

this sums it up nicely...

[GFLEXXX]

orals only are no good on ur liver and you lose most of your results to sum things up....

not so sure about the lose most of your results part

[Jiesel]

I find that to be the general concensus on oral usage only, though I have no first hand experience...

and I find that most using orals only have never heard of PCT

[cfiler]

Injectable > orals

Generally less sides with injectables, and more powerfull compounds are available in injectable versions.

Aswell, higher doses can be used with injectables, due to not having to worry about the liver toxicity of orals.

[GFLEXXX]

multitude of factors in keeping your gains, just the fact that it is an oral does not dictate you will lose most of your gains.

[Jiesel]

multitude of factors in keeping your gains, just the fact that it is an oral does not dictate you will lose most of your gains.

ok so would It be fair to say that ur odds of losing gains are higher with orals as opposed to injectibles?

[Manpretty]

Injectable > orals NOT TRUE

Generally less sides with injectables, and more powerfull compounds are available in injectable versions. ALSO NOT TRUE, however more compounds are available not exactly more powerful tho.

Aswell, higher doses can be used with injectables, due to not having to worry about the liver toxicity of orals. fine this is the only statement youve made that is in fact true

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[Manpretty]

ok so would It be fair to say that ur odds of losing gains are higher with orals as opposed to injectibles?

alot of people think this but none can explain why this would be true. not sure how your body would differentiate between oral gains and inject gains.

[mkrulic]

alot of people think this but none can explain why this would be true. not sure how your body would differentiate between oral gains and inject gains.

probably has something to do w/ binding. this is what I see a lot of on this board. people midway into a cycle that are impotent and want to know if (injectable) test would help out.

[Manpretty]

binding?
what im saying is once youve made your gains and your not takin any juice there is no way for your body to tell whether or not the gains came from oral or from injects muscle is muscle is muscle...pct is what counts my friend.....or are you saying oral builds a different kind of muscle than does injectable?

[mkrulic]

binding?
what im saying is once youve made your gains and your not takin any juice there is no way for your body to tell whether or not the gains came from oral or from injects muscle is muscle is muscle...pct is what counts my friend.....or are you saying oral builds a different kind of muscle than does injectable?

yes binding. this is the laymans version but muscle damage from resistance or bw training attracts protien. the binding of that protien to muscle fibers is what causes hypertrophy. your muscle fibers actually fill up w/ protien. testosterone helps bind the protien to the muscle fiber. this is why females are not as big and strong as males. so yes, I guess its a binding issue. but this is not my field

[Manpretty]

yes binding. this is the laymans version but muscle damage from resistance or bw training attracts protien. the binding of that protien to muscle fibers is what causes hypertrophy. your muscle fibers actually fill up w/ protien. testosterone helps bind the protien to the muscle fiber. this is why females are not as big and strong as males. so yes, I guess its a binding issue. but this is not my field

how does your body know if the free flowing test in your system is from oral or inject. if the test is the binding agent that is. if this is not your feild thats cool im just interested in this subject and any light you can shead would be awesome

[mkrulic]

how does your body know if the free flowing test in your system is from oral or inject. if the test is the binding agent that is. if this is not your feild thats cool im just interested in this subject and any light you can shead would be awesome

I had a teacher that was real cool. anything she didnt know she would look up for you. lazy of me I know but I asked her about how bb got bigger and she found an article that basicly said what I said. I dont think test comes in an oral form so we are compairing test to orals like dbol or anadrol. now I know there are other injects annd oral but for the sake of discussion lets consider these two. I have to guess that the binding properties of orals are less than that of injects. I really dont know either. in fact Ive never done an oral only cycle. but from what Ive read they ususally dont amount to much. Id like to see if anyone else knows cause Im interseted as well

[saturn08]

I believe mattlew62 that you lose alot of the potentcy with orals when compared to injectable. B/c with orals they usually dont do so well when they get to the liver and alot of the "juice" gets filtered out. Whereas with injectables this problem is not as pronounced.
For instance if you were taking 50mg of winny injectable you would have to take a substantially larger amount to get the same effect because alot gets filtered out by the liver.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Test 100mgs/day < Dbol 100mgs/day

If orals were not liver toxic, By far Oral cycles would produce better gains that injectable cycles.

It's the duration of SAFE use that makes injectables the base of a cycle. It's almost impossible to gain LBM in 4 weeks on an injectable cycle. Unless short estered or Outragous dosages used.

Homeostasis my friends. Longer the cycle, the more the body gets accustomed to holding onto it's new acquainted size. That's why injectables in my book are superior in the end...But one could argue about short oral cycles in the hole You can use them without being shutdown thus during PCT recovery of hormones is quicker so better kept gains...

Muscles muscle, oral or injectable.

[fLgAtOr]

Again...

It has nothing to do with injectable VS orals.

You choose a compound based on the kind of RESULTS it gives. You weigh this against the kind of SIDE EFFECTS that comes with it.

Then you make a choice of which compound fits your ultimate goal.

*Much of what has been said above is true..Some orals, certain users lose some gains, but not all (Dbol vs Var). Many orals are liver toxic. Some injectables aren't as strong (EQ?). Some injectables have really bad sides....But this all goes into what I said above.

[fLgAtOr]

So in your case, Matt, you want to run DBol and Test E. Great cycle, especially for bulking.

You could do just 4 weeks of Dbol if you wanted. You will gain, but I don't think you would be happy with your end results.

You could do just 12 weeks of test, but you would have to wait 3,4,5 weeks for the drug to start effect.

A test/dbol cycle enables you to have a quick start to gaining, strength, etc...But also provide you with quality gains w/out alot of stress on your liver.

[natelew]

ya, im wanting to start my cycle here in about 5 months if everything goes right, im currently an ectomorph at 5'10, 208 lbs., 24%bf I would like any suggestions bout my cycle if possible, i know i need to loose some body fat b/c i need to go into a cycle lean

[Schwarzenegger]

If you think the actual shot is painful then your not ready...I can understand when people say they dont like needles for geting over the mental factor but the small pinch should be the least of your concern,

The only thing im scared of is the day after a HARD legs workout lol, when u go to sit and take a crap.