Dbol only

[DHew]

Ive tried to search for this, but couldnt find much. I know its out there...

Why are some people anti dbol only cycle? I know its hard to keep gains, and is that only because a lot is water weight? I just dont understand why so many people seem to be against it. What about if you run it with an AI?

weeks 1-(4-6) 25mgs or 50 ED ?
PCT nolva 20mgs day for 3 weeks

I read about people gaining 23 lbs and keeping 15 of it. Thats not bad at all...

Im expecting some flamers

22yrs
6'1"
190lbs
12% bf

[Big Gulps, Huh?]

You will find people on both sides of the argument. I have ran a dbol only cycle and gained about 12 lbs and kept almost 100%. It is going to vary by individual. Some people hate it and some people love it. Dont knock it til you try it. You will just have to see for yourself

[DHew]

Yeah, im going to. What doeses did you run, and for how long? Did you use an AI to keep water weight down?

[x_moe]

good gains on dbol cycle, Better gains on Test. and dbol cycle

[11twister11]

Hey DHew, i also tried this as i am a newbie and still havent made a switch to injectables like so many have suggested. i have done two four week cycles. the first i took 30mg ed and pct involved i htink was 20mg nolva and clomid ed for three weeks. i did have great results for atleast until after my pct and felt i deflated a little - but i am still heavy and have gained more size on the second cycle. i did another 4 weeks at 30mg ed after this and didnt do any pct afterwards......i dont think it was a heavy enough dose to knock me around too much or shut anything down, i am still lifting weights like when im on cycle. i will be laying off them for atleast 3 mths and probably try 4weeks again. i must say i do like them blue hearts, i dont think the water weight is much an issue- atleast in my opinion.

[Big Gulps, Huh?]

Yeah, im going to. What doeses did you run, and for how long? Did you use an AI to keep water weight down?

I ran between 35mg-50mgs per day. I didnt take any AI's for bloat. For some reason dbol and test dont give me a whole lot of bloat.

[DHew]

Hmm, ok thanks! Any more people out there with some useful info on the subject?

Whats your stats big gulps?

[Bigmax]

One of the main reasons people tend to knock dbol only cycles is the water retention...you start to get a bit stronger and your weight does go up but as soon as you get of the compound you spill and usually end up where you firt started..

[longhorn814]

be a man and learn to inject, you'll like the results a lot better!

[duramaxedge]

dbol only cycles are for high school cheerlifters

[Big Gulps, Huh?]

Hmm, ok thanks! Any more people out there with some useful info on the subject?

Whats your stats big gulps?

25 years old, 194Lbs. as of today, around 10%BF, 5'9" tall

[cfiler]

Dbol only cycles suck, imo.

Do some research, and plan a proper cycle. You should use a test ester as the base for pretty much every cycle.

[DHew]

test shuts me down too hard.

[DecimaMAS]

One of the main reasons people tend to knock dbol only cycles is the water retention...you start to get a bit stronger and your weight does go up but as soon as you get of the compound you spill and usually end up where you firt started..

Precisely the answer to your question.

Dianabol is a tool, not a steroid for cycling. It is used to kickstart strength gains at the beginning of a cycle and as a bridge between cycles as an anti-catabolic measure.

It is not designed to be the basis of a cycle on its own.

I've ran D-bol-only cycles before and kept most of the gains, but not much that a good diet wouldn't have done anyhow!

[DHew]

I just want to try it out for myself and see. Is 30mg ED a good dose?

190
12%bf

[t-gunz]

40 mg ED 30mg would be too low IMO

[DHew]

dbol doesnt shut you down as hard as test, right?

[T3/T4 GSR]

I am running dbol as my main steroid this cycle while running it along side masteron to shed the water off abd add some strength. So far I like this cycle a lot..I am dry and hard as hell and building lean muscle. I would even use this as a cutter. Now I see how Arnold would cut on dbol.

[DHew]

nice, let me know how it goes for you

[dhriscerr]

Everyone Is Scared Of The Big Bad Needles

[Manpretty]

FACTS about dbol only cycles:
gains = LBM.... dbol only will produce this

gains can be kept= true......dbol only is no harder to keep gains from then anyother cycle assuming proper pct

diet plays a big factor = true, this is the case with any cycle

alot of people on this board parrot mis-information = true......just ask anyone of those parrots to explain what they are saying and they cant.

oral+inject > oral true........this fact does not lessen the effectiveness of oral alone
edit: this is only due to the fact that injects are run longer and thus more time for muscle growth

oral only produces the same type of LBM that injectables do.... ie there is no difference in the muscle physically or astetically sp? just possibly the amount

and remember that 15-20lbm is usually a pretty good inject cycle over 10-12 weeks whereas an oral cycle can produce the same results in 4-6 weeks

[locowhiteguy77]

Everyone Is Scared Of The Big Bad Needles

I was afraid of needles to man. But when I first injected Test E, barely felt it. Felt like a pinch,not even close to an ant bite. Come to the dark side.

[ironaddict69]

I was afraid of needles to man. But when I first injected Test E, barely felt it. Felt like a pinch,not even close to an ant bite. Come to the dark side.

Yes...Luke...come to the dark side.
seriously tho do it.

[locowhiteguy77]

Honestly guys, when your filling your syringe with stuff, sometimes don't your feel like your the doctor/M.D.? I love the flick, getting the bubbles out. Good times. The Dark side isn't that bad.
"If you only knew the power of the Dark Side.
You have only begun to discover your power. Join me(injectables), and I will complete your training."

[dupa95]

I like this thread. As soon as I finish my reaserch. I am going to do a 10 12 wk. test cyp cycle. But for now it's read read read.

[frezhman]

tried dbol cycle only when i was a newbie. hate it as give me considerable bloating despite makin me big, but pudgy. got the guts to switch to injectable, and i will never look back into oral anymore. furthermore, dbol is pretty hard on ur kidneys.
(",)

[frezhman]

tried dbol cycle only when i was a newbie. hate it as give me considerable bloating despite makin me big, but pudgy. got the guts to switch to injectable, and i will never look back into oral anymore. furthermore, dbol is pretty hard on ur kidneys.
(",)

i mean more danger on ur liver.. oopsie

[DHew]

this thread has nothing to do with me being scared of needles, ive done a test enth cycle before. It was great, but test shuts my hpta down too much. pct sucked.

[BOUNCER 01]

this thread has nothing to do with me being scared of needles, ive done a test enth cycle before. It was great, but test shuts my hpta down too much. pct sucked.

Orals are pointless! The gains are hard to maintain and they f**k your livers up. Injections are a lot safer and are easy to keep if you've got a good planned diet that is.

[Anaboxa34]

1) Why are orals pointless?
2) Why would there gains be harder to keep if you disregard waterweight (which comes with injectables also)?
3)How many livers do we have. I thought there was only one.
4)How exactly do they "f**k up" your "livers"
5)How are injections "a lot safer"?

Please enlighten me

[BOUNCER 01]

1) Why are orals pointless?
2) Why would there gains be harder to keep if you disregard waterweight (which comes with injectables also)?
3)How many livers do we have. I thought there was only one.
4)How exactly do they "f**k up" your "livers"
5)How are injections "a lot safer"?

Please enlighten me

1)They are pointless because of the sides compared to injectables.
2)Of course it depends on your diet
3)Sorry thought we had 10 livers(punctuation mistake if you didn't notice)
4)They f**k up livers in the sense that orals pass through our livers 3 times compared to injectables which passes once
5)Safer simply because of the side-effects
OF COURSE IT DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL....TO MY EXPERIENCE THEY ARE POINTLESS!

[Anaboxa34]

Oh so i see you wait till i signed to off to defend what you are saying, a coincidence no doubt!

1)They are pointless because of the sides compared to injectables. This is a pretty broad statement. All orals and all injectables are different drugs that come with different sides. The side effects of some orals will be less then that of some injectables, and vise versa. And of course vary from person to person
2)Of course it depends on your diet So this still doesnt explain how gains from oral cycles are harder to hold onto then injectables
3)Sorry thought we had 10 livers(punctuation mistake if you didn't notice)Considering your posts it would not suprise me if you did believe we had more then one liver
4)They f**k up livers in the sense that orals pass through our livers 3 times compared to injectables which passes once

This is directly from this board and if you are actually interested in using the ever so unpopular SEARCH tool you'll find many threads that support this

Side Effects of Steroids

2. Steroid Effects and Liver Damage
Liver damage is probably the most sensationalized of all side effects possible from steroid use. The media often focuses on this particular problem as if it occurs with every steroid, and in every person who takes them. Nothing could be further than the truth. Most anabolic steroids which are ingested orally pass through the liver, which functions as the body´s filtration system. When something goes through the liver, it is broken down by various enzymes, and passed along into the bloodstream. Most research on orally administered anabolic steroids focus on the fact that liver enzymes are elevated following ingestion. But does this necessarily mean that the liver is being damaged, does it? Of course not. Commonly, studies that focus on steroid toxicity often use absurd doses, or incorrectly focus on liver activity instead of damage. The liver functions as the filter for the human body.. it´s going to be activated whenever something (not just a steroid) passes through it. Does that show that steroids damage the liver? Let´s see what the scientists say..

There was an eight-week study done in 1999, which looked at the effects of an 8-week cycle of Oral steroids. The steroids examined were Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone), Dianabol (methylandrostanolone), or Winstrol (Stanozolol) on rats at the dose of 2mg/kg-body weight, administered five times a week for 8 weeks. That s almost 200mgs/day of any of those steroids, for a 200lb user. That is, I´ll speculate, much more than the average person would use on a cycle. In fact, I have never, in my years of researching steroids and speaking with athletes, heard of anybody using 200mgs/day of Halotestin, Winstrol, or Dianabol. Ever.

And, at the end of that study, In vivo, each rat still had liver enzyme levels that were within normal range!

(*Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Feb;31(2):243-50, Rat liver lysosomal and mitochondrial activities are modified by anabolic-androgenic steroids. Molano F, Saborido A, Delgado J, Moran M, Megias A.)

In another study, 16 bodybuilders using steroids were compared to 12 bodybuilders who were not. Then the bodybuilders who had used steroids stopped taking them for three months, at which points, the researchers found that liver enzymes had returned to the same levels as the non users. After only 3 months!

(*Int J Sports Med 1996 Aug;17(6):429-33, Body composition, cardiovascular risk factors and liver function in long-term androgenic-anabolic steroids using bodybuilders three months after drug withdrawal. Hartgens F, Kuipers H, Wijnen JA, Keizer HA.)

We can see from the chart below that ex-steroid users have totally normal liver enzymes one year after they stop using& .in fact, for some liver enzymes, even the current users have normal scores!



(*Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. 84 (2003) 369-375)



5)Safer simply because of the side-effectsI feel like this has already been addressed
OF COURSE IT DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL....TO MY EXPERIENCE THEY ARE POINTLESS!Your experience must be minimal

[Anaboxa34]

See bold

[spywizard]

I can feel the love in this thread..

I want to thank everyone for staying mature and not reverting to name calling in this thread thus far..

that is all

[BOUNCER 01]

See bold

Yeh i know my experience is minimal that does not mean i can't put my point accross. I totally understand what your saying and everything. Just thought i'd put my point accross about orals from my personal experience.

[Crest]

just be a man and do it, i did the dbol cycle and it was gay.... i did my 1st injection 1.5 weeks ago, im looking forward to the next one

[Manpretty]

^^^^ the problem with your statments was they were generalized and false....we want to hear what your experience was but your blanket statments about oral was wrong

[DecimaMAS]

I can feel the love in this thread..

I want to thank everyone for staying mature and not reverting to name calling in this thread thus far..

that is all

Give it a few minutes. It's still early. ;-)

[BOUNCER 01]

Sorry people. Its just that my experience with orals really pi**ed me off not to mention others who have taken the stuff and they are experienced users, who gave similar feedbacks.

[DHew]

can anyone comment on the shutdown of hpta from test vs. the shutdown of hpta from dbol? is dbol an easier pct? ie: do you get back to homeostasis faster??