Got my gear! Please help...

[Z12]

Finally, it came. I got 3 bottles of test e (300mg/ml, 10ml each). This is my first ever cycle, so this is all the AS I will be taking. Also, I will be taking arimidex at 0.25mg ed and accutane at 10mg ed, or more if necessary.

I'm very concerned about acne, as I am prone to it. I wasn't going to take a'dex, but read that it can help with acne by keeping my estrogen levels under control.

I have also read that by injecting long-ester gear more often, test levels in your body will stay more constant, therefore helping to reduce sides.

Obviously, I want to do everything I can to avoid acne.

So, I've got 3 bottles for a total of 9000mg of test e. I would like to use it all up, or at least most of it, as I don't know when or if I will do another cycle.

Originally, I was going to do 600mg per week for 13 weeks, shooting 300 twice per week. That's a total of 7800mg over the course of the 13 week cycle.

Now, I'm thinking I want to shoot 200mg every other day (hopefully reducing sides) for 13 weeks. That's 45 shots, for a total of 9000mg over the course of the cycle, using up all that I've got.

Questions:

Am I confused here? Is this a bad idea for a long-ester like test e? Do you think shooting eod will help with sides? What do you guys think?

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

[Z12]

Another question: Is this just too much test for a first timer? Thanks.

[MikeCman]

Im thinkin 2 a week is fine, but im no expert. It sounds like your stressin bout the acne too much. This is just one of those side affects that come with steroids and not everyone gets it. I would also not recommend taking the accutane during the cycle, save it for afterwards.

I would also say that 500mg of test per week is plenty for a first timer. Also, Dont forget that you will loose sm. amounts of oit each time you draw out of the bottle and load the syringe!

[Machin3]

Run for 12 weeks 1st time around youll see great results

[Z12]

Im thinkin 2 a week is fine, but im no expert. It sounds like your stressin bout the acne too much. This is just one of those side affects that come with steroids and not everyone gets it. I would also not recommend taking the accutane during the cycle, save it for afterwards.

I would also say that 500mg of test per week is plenty for a first timer. Also, Dont forget that you will loose sm. amounts of oit each time you draw out of the bottle and load the syringe!

I've ALWAYS stressed about acne. Something about shit growing on my face kills me. 10mg of accutane is probably not even enough to do anything, but if I need to up the dose, my body will already be accustomed to it and will react faster than if I started from scratch. Thanks for your help bro.

[Dog-Slime]

Dont use all of it. 2cc's a week should be plenty for a first timer.

[Z12]

Mke XXL, Gsxxr, Carlos, Nark, Horse, MudMan, Ghost, all of you old timers - Where You At!? I need veteran advice!

Help - A newbie's in distress...

[stocky121]

Dont use all of it. 2cc's a week should be plenty for a first timer.

yeah i totally agree 600mg per week should be plenty for a first timer

[Hack72]

You can run Arimidex at .5mg to 1 mg every day of your cycle and remain safe. The 1 mg per day has been shown to actually increase your test levels as well. A good beginners cycle with test-enanthate is 500mgs per week for 12 wks. YOu could also kick-start that type of cycle with dbol 20mg/day for the first 4 wks. Good luck

[natvtec1.8]

run 600 or 2cc a week until u run out i would also get 3 bottles of deca for a even better stack making u big and hard

[Getbig06]

12 wks @ 500mg is the recommended cycle for a first timer. Be careful with the accutane, you know the stuffs no joke on your liver. Thats why doctors monitor accutane users blood while they are on it. I heard that washing your face with Nizoral helps some with the acne. Search it...

[Z12]

12 wks @ 500mg is the recommended cycle for a first timer. Be careful with the accutane, you know the stuffs no joke on your liver. Thats why doctors monitor accutane users blood while they are on it. I heard that washing your face with Nizoral helps some with the acne. Search it...

Yea, I know it's not to be taken lightly, but I've been on it several times before. As much as 80mg ed and never had liver problems, so I don't think a low dose should be a problem. I'm gonna get blood work several times anyway just to be safe.

Thanks for your thoughts guys.

[spywizard]

Yep, monday and thursday.. otherwise ( I don't have the table ) after like 8 weeks you will end up with higher hormone levels then you wanted and thus higher/more sides.

As for acne the nizoral works great on the hair, and many bros say it reduces acne on the back and face as well..

good luck

[G-1000]

OK this is not that big of a deal. I like the 600mg week even know it's your first cycle. You dont have any orals for a jump start so you would frt load the test. Thsi is not going to effect acne. It is a long ester so there is no need for eod injections. 2x a week is more then enught.

week 1-2 600mg 2x
week 3-13 300mg 2x


Now keep in mind this is your first cycle. And a frt load os 1200mg for 2 weeks is a shit load.

[Z12]

Thanks guys.

So, sounds like the consensus is 2 shots per week.

Gsxxr: What is the purpose of front loading? Similar to a kickstart? And this won't affect acne?

I like shit loads

[Hellmaskbanned]

There's no reason to have 1200mgs of test circulating through your system on virgin receptors....

You can grow plenty off of 300mgs/week, why do more if it's not going to benefit you?

By highering the dosage, you will just see increased sides...More Acne, Water Bloat, Blood pressure etc.

No matter what the mg/ml is, I would not exceed over 500mgs if I were in your shoes.

Weeks 1-12 500mgs injected 2x a week

PCT ( Best to use an AI + Serm) AI=adex,aromasin... Serm=nolva, clomid

Goodluck and grow.

[Cat316]

Its not really going to affect acne because E is a long ester and takes weeks to kick in

[G-1000]

It's long ester so the frt load will get your levels up much faters.

No the acny will come in effect later in the cycle.

[dhriscerr]

So many opinions, good luck man, I start tuesday

[Swifto]

I wouldnt frontload the cycle being prone to acne, but thats me. It may cause a spike in estorgen and DHT levels, therefore increasing the chances of acne (if their a true cause?).

Why do you think your prone to acne? Puberty?

[Z12]

I wouldnt frontload the cycle being prone to acne, but thats me. It may cause a spike in estorgen and DHT levels, therefore increasing the chances of acne (if their a true cause?).

Why do you think your prone to acne? Puberty?

I had acne throughout highschool. Never the really bad type which is cystic acne that causes those deep scars, but mine was pretty bad at times. I've been on EVERY drug available for it. Back then, my acne was very persistent, it just never really went away unless I was on accutane. For me, accutane is the ONLY thing that works worth a damn.

Honestly, I'm sure I'm more sensitive about it than most people. Who knows, maybe I won't break out at all during this cycle, but I don't want to take ANY chances.

[STB]

There's no reason to have 1200mgs of test circulating through your system on virgin receptors....

You can grow plenty off of 300mgs/week, why do more if it's not going to benefit you?

By highering the dosage, you will just see increased sides...More Acne, Water Bloat, Blood pressure etc.

No matter what the mg/ml is, I would not exceed over 500mgs if I were in your shoes.

Weeks 1-12 500mgs injected 2x a week

PCT ( Best to use an AI + Serm) AI=adex,aromasin... Serm=nolva, clomid

Goodluck and grow.

I agree - I am heading into my 4th test cycle and still have not topped 600mg per week.

If you are worried about sides, increasing the test is a bad move. I grew a ton (over 20lbs.) on 350mg of Test E/wk.


Bluesman

[Swifto]

Ok.

Personally, I'd run Arimidex at around 0.5-1.0/EOD. Adjust the dose comparing estrogenic sides. When "on" cycle. Possibly beginning 1-2 weeks proir to the cycle.

I'd also have Accutane on hand, incase of a severe breakout (I always will now).

For a first time 600mg/wk is far too much. I started on 500mg/wk and now, I think it was a little too much. I wish I started on 250-350mg/wk looking back. A few years ago 250-350mg/wk was the 'first timer' dosage range. Then people used to suggest 500mg/wk, now some say 600mg/wk is ok. What next 750-1000mg/wk?

If your prone to acne, which you may be as you had it in puberty (I also did) frontloading is out of the question, I feel. Use between 250-350mg/wk, injecting 2x per week or EOD if you dont mind frequent injections? The more frequent the better IMHO.

When coming up to PCT, dont just end the cycle and start PCT. Taper the dose down a few 100mg/wk then begin PCT.

Take 350mg/wk.

wk 1-12 350mg/wk
wk 12-14 250mg/wk
wk 14-16 100mg/wk

Then PCT.

Finally, use an AI when on (Arimidex) and another for PCT (Aromasin).

[Z12]

Ok.

Personally, I'd run Arimidex at around 0.5-1.0/EOD. Adjust the dose comparing estrogenic sides. When "on" cycle. Possibly beginning 1-2 weeks proir to the cycle.

I'd also have Accutane on hand, incase of a severe breakout (I always will now).

For a first time 600mg/wk is far too much. I started on 500mg/wk and now, I think it was a little too much. I wish I started on 250-350mg/wk looking back. A few years ago 250-350mg/wk was the 'first timer' dosage range. Then people used to suggest 500mg/wk, now some say 600mg/wk is ok. What next 750-1000mg/wk?

If your prone to acne, which you may be as you had it in puberty (I also did) frontloading is out of the question, I feel. Use between 250-350mg/wk, injecting 2x per week or EOD if you dont mind frequent injections? The more frequent the better IMHO.
When coming up to PCT, dont just end the cycle and start PCT. Taper the dose down a few 100mg/wk then begin PCT.

Take 350mg/wk.

wk 1-12 350mg/wk
wk 12-14 250mg/wk
wk 14-16 100mg/wk

Then PCT.

Finally, use an AI when on (Arimidex) and another for PCT (Aromasin).

Thanks Swifto...

Why do you wish you had done less for your first cycle?

I think I'll be fine with frequent injections. Are you suggesting EOD because it might help reduce sides?

BTW, I'm 5'-11" and weigh 185-190 lbs. Pretty low body fat, although I have no idea on a %. Thanks.

[duramaxedge]

... .im soo tired of hearing people say.. "go 12 weeks!" .. K12 Set a REACHABLE goal and go for it.. Id def. do the 450mg a week.. If its 12 1/2 weeks then ok.. if its 14 weeks then ok.. You dont have to do a set "12 weeks" .. reach your goals.. dont over do it.. and youll be fine..

and like swifto said.. If your super prone to acne, etc. try to do the e0d injections.. will help for sides.. (blood levels will stay a little more stable)

btw.. IU kicked ass last night..

Im an indiana native myself!!

[Z12]

... .im soo tired of hearing people say.. "go 12 weeks!" .. K12 Set a REACHABLE goal and go for it.. Id def. do the 450mg a week.. If its 12 1/2 weeks then ok.. if its 14 weeks then ok.. You dont have to do a set "12 weeks" .. reach your goals.. dont over do it.. and youll be fine..

and like swifto said.. If your super prone to acne, etc. try to do the e0d injections.. will help for sides.. (blood levels will stay a little more stable)

btw.. IU kicked ass last night..

Im an indiana native myself!!

YES!!! IU shat on Wisconsin - No. 2 in the fvkin nation!!!! I'm still all gitty from last night. Good to see a fellow Hoosier on here. Where do you live in Indy? I actually might be moving from Boston to Indy in August.

Thanks for the advice bro. I think I will do the eod injections. I hear ya - 12 weeks, 14 weeks, whatever. That's a long ways off, so I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there. GO COLTS!!!

[duramaxedge]

Definately go Colts.. and yes im in Indianapolis

[kj101]

About ten years ago I was on accutane. My doc started me out at a low dose, sorry I cant remember for sure, maybe like 10 or 20mg. I felt fine. But when she increased my dosage from there I had problems. It really started messing with my head. Almost to a point of being suicidal. This happened years before I ever juiced, so juice had nothing to do with it. All I'm sayin is to really observe yourself when on the accutane bro!