Positives and Negatives

[miamistar]

What do you guys think about Positives and Negatives? What is the benifit of doing these?

[pvit486]

Well, most ppl focus on the positive as we know when they're bringin' they're liftin'. But sometimes you can add negatives in to intesify your workout. I always look at negatives as more of an endurance thing.

[JDMSilviaSpecR]

I like to utilize negative resistance training every once in a while to mix it up. I've always gotten positive results and great pumps. You get to experience the full range of motion during negative resistance training. You also expend less energy doing negatives opposed to positive training.

[krusher]

i think negatives are beneficial to strengthening you tendons more than growth, as which positives contribute to, I'd like to hear if anyone has had any signifigant changes in strength/size when applied to a routine?

[Doc.Sust]

negatives dont do anything

[Doc.Sust]

post from muscle science

To add to that there is two ways to increase the number of motor units recruited. The first is to fatique the muscle so that more motor units are activated to move the muscle under load. The second is by increasing resistance, the higher the resistance the greater the number of motor units recruited. Oh and this might piss some people off, the eccentric (negative) phase of the exercise does not cause an increase in muscle strength or size. So it appears from many many studies that those slow negatives we all do and love have no effect on other than to increase tensile strength of the muscle and improve isometric breaking strength.

[*Narkissos*]

i've used negative-training a lot in the past... and loved it.

My strength jumped from week to week.. So i wouldn't say it's useless imo.

There is the potential for abuse/overuse.. and injury however.

[boostedevo8]

ive had positive results from negative training so i dont know .......

[Doc.Sust]

i've used negative-training a lot in the past... and loved it.

My strength jumped from week to week.. So i wouldn't say it's useless imo.

There is the potential for abuse/overuse.. and injury however.

ok , but can you contribute ALL your gains in strength during that training cycle to negatives? could be multiple variables to why, negatives seem to work well for people that dont train for strength often, or people who just started lifting, they dont seem to work well for those who train for strength often. same with isometrcis and band trainingm works well when it is newm but as soon as your body adapts, it never works the same again

[*Narkissos*]

ok , but can you contribute ALL your gains in strength during that training cycle to negatives?

I can't say 'yes' or 'no' definatively.

I can say however, that the addition of negatives and forced reps are the only changes i made to my regimes at those times.

Since strength increases occurred to coincide with their introductions.. i'm pretty sure that they can be attributed to their use.

could be multiple variables to why, negatives seem to work well for people that dont train for strength often, or people who just started lifting

Define: "train for strength (often)"..since the latter (re: people who just started lifting) doesn't apply to me.

Each time i add negs and forced reps..i gain strength.

[MuscleScience]

Forced reps are much different than negatives.

[MuscleScience]

Negatives are really only effective for those that must resist a load. Such as ski jumpers, basketball players, ect. They do not contribute to strength of the muscle. When you think about the action of a muscle. Muscles only are designed to move and support joints. So it doesnt take a real leap of the imagination to see how a muscle would not benefit in contractile strength to negative reps. Muscles only grow in size, to increases in contractile demand on the muscles. So people who do those extremely slow negative reps get no hyperthrophic benefit at all. They will however increase their muscles ability to resist a load, but its important to remember that by definition this is notan increase in concentric strength. Furthermore slow negatives can increase the chance of injury. The golgi tendon organs in the tendons of each muscle react to rapid increases in stretch of the muscle. They cause the muscle to contract to prevent the muscle from tearing apart. If you have a large negative load this can cause your muscle to firing at is maximum. Then there is a very real chance of injury. Under normal conditions you never use more than about 90% of total muscle strength. This is a physiological safeguard that prevents the muscles from tearing themselves apart when under intense contraction. This is controlled by another type of muscle fiber embedded in the muscles that I wont go over.

[Doc.Sust]

I can't say 'yes' or 'no' definatively.

I can say however, that the addition of negatives and forced reps are the only changes i made to my regimes at those times.

Since strength increases occurred to coincide with their introductions.. i'm pretty sure that they can be attributed to their use.



Define: "train for strength (often)"..since the latter (re: people who just started lifting) doesn't apply to me.

Each time i add negs and forced reps..i gain strength.

how it works, those who just started lifting, and thosewho dont train for strength do have something in common, new stimuli and different training, your body will make quick gains since it isnt normaly trained in this manner, IE, same results for the newbie,only difference is the newbie will get better results because all strength stimuli and lifting in general is new. does that make sense

[Doc.Sust]

Forced reps are much different than negatives.

very much so! forced reps are at least with a weight the individual could handle if they were not fatigued, a true negative is using more weight than one could handle only focusing on the eccentric movement and having a training partner yank up the weight with no concentric movemnt on the lifters part

[UberSteroids]

So pretty much the whole 1-0-3 with assisted rep up thing is not as good as everyone says?!
Well if You ask me even though I am not as advanced in knowledge and lifting as You guys, I can tell that I can get more intense workouts with negative reps. Especially doing negatives a last sets (as I always do). I just feel much better/get harder workouts when I have that stress on my muscle for longer period of time.
I don't know..that's how I feel about it.
Whatever works...

[MuscleScience]

yeah you feel more of an intense workout, your tearing more muscle fibers on the negative phase of a lift. Second if you do a slow negative your producing lots of lactic acid. But does it make you stronger or bigger, nope.

[MuscleScience]

negatives have there place in training its important that people still do them, there not bad they just dont make you stronger or bigger as some people might think.

[Doc.Sust]

negatives have there place in training its important that people still do them, there not bad they just dont make you stronger or bigger as some people might think.

behind you 100%

[MuscleScience]

behind you 100%

Thanks man!