First Cylce advice

[tlsurfer1]

Im 23 years old 6'4" 200 pounds and 7 % BF. ive been working out for about three years now and feel that i've hit my genetic potential, therefor im thinking about doing my first aas cylce. im thinking about doing an 8 week cylce consisting of

400 mg of deca per week
400 mg of test enan per week

as for PCT i was thinking

HCg 1500 IU every 5th day starting the last week of cyle, continuing for 3 weeks

Clomid & Nolva along side.

Ive done as much research as i possibly could and would love some feedback or any advice i can get
thanx

[Kristopher22]

I may as well be the first to say it: 1st cyce = 1 compound. If you are taking several aas at once and have bad sides, you will be able to narrow it down better and see how your body reacts to each compound. 1st cycle should be 8 - 12 weeks test enenthate followed by proper pct. Of course all this is just my opinion.

[tlsurfer1]

Thanks bro ill definitly take that into account! my dilema is tho that i want to use Deca for my first cycle,,,, and i dont want "deca dick".... so maybe run a lower dose of test enan?

[armbar83]

Thanks bro ill definitly take that into account! my dilema is tho that i want to use Deca for my first cycle,,,, and i dont want "deca dick".... so maybe run a lower dose of test enan?

deca isnt recommended for a first cycle but if you have to yes run it with test...

squawk*

[2deizel]

for your first cycle all need to run is test' it could be test-e or test cyp not much of a big difference between the two. no need to run the deca at this time. with proper training and diet you can easliy gain 15-20 lbs being your first cycle. you could run for 1-12 weeks at 500mgs a week. shoud be split up in 2shots 250mgs mon-thur keep blood levels more stable. since you be running just the test no need for hcg' a nolva and clomid mix would be fine.

[2deizel]

why do you want to run deca your fist cycle there is no need for it. if you want kick start with some d-bol 1-4 weeks 40 mgs ed.

[tlsurfer1]

no reason really diezel, ive had multiple friends tell me that deca is a good choice for a first cycle. But i hear ya, ill definitly reconsider. My diet and training as far as i know is on track, so what do you think i should expect from a test only cylce? ive taken multiple Pro-hormones that convert to test, and gotta only minimal results.........

if i did decide to go ahead with deca for my cycle,,, how would you suggest i do it?

[gym lord]

no reason really diezel, ive had multiple friends tell me that deca is a good choice for a first cycle. But i hear ya, ill definitly reconsider.

that's at least a decent atttitude for a 1st timer / inexperienced type ... better than a lot i've seen since i started reading on this site ... that's how you learn right, be willing to listen and adjust ... all of you young'uns out there dont know how lucky you got it, with websites like this ... hell, we didnt have no internet when i was starting out ... way bigger and more experienced guys in the gym showed me the ropes starting out, and if i copped an attitude and acted like i didnt want to listen, they'd thump me upside the head ...

[armbar83]

that's at least a decent atttitude for a 1st timer / inexperienced type ... better than a lot i've seen since i started reading on this site ... that's how you learn right, be willing to listen and adjust ... all of you young'uns out there dont know how lucky you got it, with websites like this ... hell, we didnt have no internet when i was starting out ... way bigger and more experienced guys in the gym showed me the ropes starting out, and if i copped an attitude and acted like i didnt want to listen, they'd thump me upside the head ...

and, he used to have to walk up hill in the snow both ways to get to the gym sorry, i know this isn't constructive but im an ass...

[Johny-too-small]

Well at 6'4" 200lbs I doubt that you've reached your genetic potential. What's your diet look like? I dont think youre eating enough or right.

[tlsurfer1]

oh wow, sorry im 220,,,, my diets good,,, i usualy eat between 3-4 thoughsand cals a day when off cylce,,, when i was doing the few pro-ho's i have, i was eating between 4-5 thoughsand cals a day. sorry about the error!

[tlsurfer1]

ya bro, ill take any advice i can get, im actually a medical school student so i realize and understand the severity of AAS, therefor any advice i can get, ill take, and take to heart


gym lord....... what do you think i should do for a first cycle?

[gym lord]

ya bro, ill take any advice i can get, im actually a medical school student so i realize and understand the severity of AAS, therefor any advice i can get, ill take, and take to heart


gym lord....... what do you think i should do for a first cycle?

500-600 mg test cyp or e ... kickstart with d-bol weeks 1-4

[gym lord]

500-600 mg test cyp or e ... kickstart with d-bol weeks 1-4

... but i just copied that from jamikehat above, heh heh ... no, actually that was my very first cycle ever way back in 1986-87 ... my advice too, for a first time cycler, is pay special attention to pct ... that's the real trick, learning to tweak your body coming off cycle, to maximize retention of gains ... anybody can go on cycle and make gains, keeping them is another matter ...

cant advise you on proviron as i havent used it yet ... but after what i've read about it around here lately, i'd say it was worth looking into for use in pct ... dunno, some vets may feel otherwise about 1st time cyclers using that ... might get some opinions on that if i was you ...

[Johny-too-small]

Here bro, when your done reading this, read everything else on this site. Good luck!


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

[bigrose]

As has already been stated above, bump the test up a bit and cut the deca for now. In addition to the reasons already given, test is a yardstick steroid to me. Your reactions, gains and side effects from it will help you determine how you will react to other compounds in the future.

You said you have done numerous prohormones that convert to test. Those are nothing like real gear. That is like saying that since you drove a moped now you can race a superbike. No disrespect, but I thought the same thing when I was starting out. Night and day difference.

I also agree with the dbol if you want for the first 4-6 weeks at 30-40mg/day. My first real cycle was basically very similar to that, and it was outstanding.

Lastly, I personally wouldn't include the HCG in there during or after your cycle. The adex, nolva and clomid are fine, but I just don't think that is a heavy enough cycle that you will need the HCG. You could maybe still include it during PCT, but, like I said, I wouldn't. Save it for a future, heavier cycle.

That being said, good luck! You will love the way you feel and your gains from your first cycle. I was hooked after the first few weeks. It's awesome.

[tlsurfer1]

thanx for the advice bigrose! should i kick up the test dossage to what? 600 mg's a week? what do you think about doing the test with eq? ive heard that is a good first cycle.

thanxs bro

[marcus300]

stick with test only for first cycle no need to add other compounds, go for 500mg per wk

[tlsurfer1]

what would you guys suggest for a test cycle,,,, test enan,,, test prop,,, test cyp,,, or a product called super test which is a combo of
32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

[marcus300]

Go with test e or cyp, less injection to cope with seeing its your first cycle

[jamikehat]

I personally like test enth. It's what I used for my first cycle along with a dbol kickstart. So did my training partner.

[tlsurfer1]

ok so i think im gunna go with that, 500 mg's enan for 10-12 weeks with d-bol to kickstart for 4 weeks. what would you guys advise for PCT? obviously go with nolva and clomid, but should i be runny .25 mcgs of l-dex throughout the cycle,,,, what that help keep my gains a little cleaner? when should i start the nolva and clomid,,, i was thinking with my last injection?

thanks guys

[Bigmax]

l-dex will keep bloat down bro...your gains will be kept best with your pct protocal ...also keep nutrition and training up to par when OFF..

[tlsurfer1]

if i did test enan and d-bol, my gains wouldnt be to clean, side effects could be severe. so what do you think maybe replacing the test enan with deca, a more mild anabolic, with much less sides,,, also producing cleaner gains?