need advice on cycle

[hben87]

Sustanon 500 mg shot once a week for 12 weeks
test p oil base 100 mg 1cc once a week 10 weeks
deca 250 1cc eod first 5 weeks
win 100mg 1 cc eod weeks 5-10

any suggestions on how to make this the best cycle with what materials i've listed appreciated. constuctive critisim only.

goal: cut lean muscle for summer
age:21
training: (2) one hour lifting days, and (3) one hour cardio then an hour of lifting days. (making 5 total days of training).
cycle history: one so far Sustanon 250 once a week 8 weeks
height: 6 feet
weight: 193
body fat: 15 to 18% (looking to reach 10%)
diet: 2000-2500 (protein shake morning and night)
other suplements: vitamin e and multi vitamin

[hben87]

i dont want to sound like another new comer asking for help, but the info on the web page is kind of scattered so its hard to come up with the best game plan 4 the materials i have at hand. thats why i was hoping some expert vets could lead my in the right direction. i know a little about aas and pct, but if im going to do it im doing it right and want to know the best possible cycle for the best possible outcome. please help so i dont turn my balls into rasins for nothin people. thanks and god bless.

[hben87]

come on people can i get some help on this im trying to start this cycle...

[kynetguy]

Sustanon 500 mg shot once a week for 12 weeks

LOL, we were having a Sust Conversation earlier today in another thread. . .Once a week is NOT frequent enough for Sust due to the short esters in the blend. The short easters will have your blood levels of test going all over the place at weekly intravals. Low dose Sust (125-250/week) for hormone replacement is administered weekly and it works well for that.

test p oil base 100 mg 1cc once a week 10 weeks

Test Prop once a week is not even useful. It has an active life about 3-4 days. Test Prop is also painful for most and is very unforgiving on the virgin muscle. However, once a week, is about all your body will want you to put in it. Prop needs to be shot NO FURTHER APART than EoD. Its a very short lived drug.

deca 250 1cc eod first 5 weeks

I am going to say too much Deca....thats 750ml one week 1000mg the next for an average of 875/week.

win 100mg 1 cc eod weeks 5-10

You ALMOST got this one close. . . . Wini has a very short active life. 8-10 hours. Its an ED compound. Most people will tell you to time it around your workouts for maximum effectiveness.

any suggestions on how to make this the best cycle with what materials i've listed appreciated. constuctive critisim only.

I don't know if what I have said would be classified as "constructive." But I am trying not to be destructive but still give you a wakeup call.

goal: cut lean muscle for summer
age:21
training: (2) one hour lifting days, and (3) one hour cardio then an hour of lifting days. (making 5 total days of training).
cycle history: one so far Sustanon 250 once a week 8 weeks
height: 6 feet
weight: 193
body fat: 15 to 18% (looking to reach 10%)
diet: 2000-2500 (protein shake morning and night)

You need more Foodadrol. You need to bump up your diet to at least 4K of lean, clean calories. That alone will put 10-15lbs on by summer.

other suplements: vitamin e and multi vitamin

I threw in some info above. But please read a lot more. What you have put in here is so far off base. Spend a couple months reading before popping a pin in yourself. Please.

My comments are NOT intended to flame, belittle, berate, insult or otherwise make you feel dumb. I just want you to realize that your knowledge of AAS is no where near what it should be to start any of this.

Research a little more before you start sticking yourself.

Gear is not the answer for you according to your information. YOu need banavar, foodadrol and Primobalogna. (IE: CALORIES BRO....feed that face all the chicken and tuna you can find)

[kynetguy]

I almost forgot. . . .where is your PCT outline???? You nuts will takes WEEKS and WEEKS to come back without it and your gains will melt away faster than you put them on. . . .

I will say again. . .educate.

[hben87]

word up kynetguy how about i do a shot of sus 250 every three days for 8 weeks and during sus i do deca once a week for 8 weeks, after the 8 weeks of sus 250 and deca i start test p every three days for 3 weeks along with win 100 eod 3 weeks

[kynetguy]

word up kynetguy how about i do a shot of sus 250 every three days for 8 weeks and during sus i do deca once a week for 8 weeks, after the 8 weeks of sus 250 and deca i start test p every three days for 3 weeks along with win 100 eod 3 weeks

You didn't read everything I typed in my initial reply did you?

Unfortunately no one is going to do all the legwork for your cycle for you on this board. All the Vets and mods have set a tone on this board. . .and that tone is to research and educate yourself. Its an attitude that the other more responsible members, like myself, have.

Your Sust injection frequency is better, but no dosing information.

Deca Once a week. . .ok. . .how much?

Prop ever 3 days and winny EOD...you didn't comprehend what I told you the first time about these two.

How much of each of these do you have? It really sounds like you go ahold of some gear and want to use it all and concoct a miracle potion. You really do not need all these compounds. YOu are very young. Should have good receptors and respond well to a sensible, 1 or two compound cycle.

And you have yet to mention PCT. Are you intentionally trying to f-yourself up? What if you start to get gyno? What do you have on hand to fight that? What are you planning to do to get your nuts functioning again? They are going to shrink, no doubt about that. But what are you going to do to return them back to a normal level of functionality?

I mean you have a mad scientist concoction here, dosed and injected all wrong. Basically I could tell you to shoot 250mg of Sust a day, take 200mg of winny 3x per day and run 500mg of deca EoD and I think you would take it and run with it simply because you don't know any better.

My harping about educating is that you have so little knowledge, that you are willing to do what anyone tells you. You are just looking for someone to give you advice and as long as they "seem" ok, you will run with it. That is REALLY dangerous bro. The education is two fold. 1) you know how to use what you got 2) you don't let yourself get f-ed up because you listened to some moron who can't even spell steroid. I could be one of those morons. Am I? You don't know for sure do you? Thats my point.

Respect yourself young man. Education is the key to a good cycle. I am not trying to be a prick. I am just trying to slap you in the face and wake you up a little.

Personally, I would run the Sust EoD, leave the deca and prop out and finish off that with the Winny to solidify gains Then start PCT 2 weeks after last Sust. (actually 18 days comes to mind for Sust, check in the PCT forum to be certain)

But, as I said before, at 2000-2500 calories. . .a truck load of gear won't give you any results. You can't build something from nothing.

[hben87]

ok where do you suggest i start reading up? i can work on my diet although healthy it is lacking. as far as my gear go's i already have my 24 sus 250 amps,1 bottle test p 100, 1 bottle win 100, 1 bottle deca 250, but no pct equipment any sugestions on whats the best for pct. also im not trying to get huge i just want good lean gains and to be cut so ill go with every third day sus 250 test prop every 4 day and use the deca at the end to make it solid save the winny for the summer...

[hben87]

i mean half way through my cycle ill start deca once a week 250

[kynetguy]

ok where do you suggest i start reading up? i can work on my diet although healthy it is lacking. as far as my gear go's i already have my 24 sus 250 amps,1 bottle test p 100, 1 bottle win 100, 1 bottle deca 250, but no pct equipment any sugestions on whats the best for pct. also im not trying to get huge i just want good lean gains and to be cut so ill go with every third day sus 250 test prop every 4 day and use the deca at the end to make it solid save the winny for the summer...

So now we are at prop every4 days? Even worse.

Despite solid information on prop and others, you still are doing it your way. . . .

God love the City of Brotherly Love and all the hard-headed arogant yankees in it.

Do what you want. I am done with this. I am not typing anymore to someone who doesn't listen. Now I see why NO ONE ELSE replied. . .

As for reading. . .do a search on this board for each of the compouds you have, search for "beginner cycle" whatever. YOu will find something about everything on here. Search for PCT. . .and eat a few chickens while you read. You need the calories.

[hben87]

i dont get it man i thought doing it every 4 days was right since it stays in your body up to 4 days i should do a shot wait 4 days and do another right?

[SMAN12b]

Please STOP right there!! I dont' want to sound harsh here , BUT you sound like you are just interested in doing "steroids" instead of doing them correctly. As of NOW, you have NO clue !!!

Your compounds do not match your goals or your diet! you are eating 2500 calories, but you want to take deca which is normally a bulking compound???

You have shown that you have done NO research into the things you want to stick into your body and effect your endocrine system for the rest of your life !!!

PCT is the single most important thing especially at your age !! you need to understand it, and have it ready before ever sticking anything in your body !!!

For bodybuilding purposes, Sustanon needs to be injected EOD in order to keep your blood levels stable due to the short ester

Test P, is still Testosterone just like Sust is! If you are gonna use it in your cycle, it needs to be shot ED not once a week.

Deca should start at the beginning of your cycle and be cut off two weeks prior to ending your Sust. 250 EOD is way too much. 400mgs/week is plenty and you only need to shoot it twice a week

If you are gonna incorporate Winny at the end of the cycle, then do it correctly. if you are running Sust for 12 weeks, then you should start the winny on week 9 and run it for 6 weeks up through week 14, or 17 days past your last Sust shot due to PCT timing ( Learn what that is )
Also Winny is an EVERYDAY shot

NONE of this is going to do you any good if your diet is not spot on !! steroids are not magic and will not make up for your unhealthy diet !!


PLEASE, PLEASE do not start a cycle until you understand what you are doing!! We are only trying to help save you from possible health problems

[hben87]

i hear you i do but my source the bull that gets me my gear is huge has on juice long time...he's tell me that this test p needs to be once a week and the sus twice a week at most the win he says can be twice maybe three 2 days a week. everyone here is tellin me something way diffrent. im trying to tell you im not trying to be huge just lean all muscle and cut. and my las cycle worked great i put on 15 pounds of muscle .75 inch on my biceps and all i took was sus 250 once a week 8 weeks so i think im gonna keep foillowing my sources advice no offense. i just think you think i want to be a body builder or something. not what im aiming for.

[SMAN12b]

the injection times have nothing to do with whether you want to be a bodybuilder or not, they have to do with the effective half life of the compound and keeping your blood levels as stable as possible in order to lessen side effects !!
Just because your friend is HUGE, doesn't mean he is healthy or has researched the SCIENCE of the body as much as we do here.
I had a friend in the gym who was HUGE !!! he took all kinds of stuff all the time, UNTIL his kidneys shut down on him, and liver was suffering from abuse of steroids, and unfortunately he withered away into a SMALL man that died at a very young age.........but hey, what do we know......

Good luck with your cycle, come back and share your results with us

[hben87]

sorry about your friend, but you guys havent exactly made it easy to put my cycle together. i gave my goals history and stats, but you all insist i find it on this page, but theres a millon threads and its almost impossilble to find which one i need. so if a vet were to take the time to sit and have a real one on one with me rather than say find a needle in a hay stack it be great.

[SMAN12b]

Would you like us to hold your hand for you too while you inject???

We gave you our BEST advice coming from years of knowledge, research,and experience......you come on here and want a magic answer in two seconds

"here you dont' know me, but put together a cycle for me"

It dont' work like that here Jr.

You sound like you already made up your mind to follow the advice of your source, so I dont' see what the problem is.....chances are you won't die from it

we gave you answers, just not the answers I guess you wanted.

SORRY

[dhriscerr]

WOW!!! Some people don't get it or care to understand it! Its scary what someone with a decent body in a gym can get any kid to jump into just to look like him. I've turned down my own friends gear because I dont want them to use them when I know there not dedicated. Good luck man, but for real atleast look into CLOMID, NOLVADEX (TAMOXAFIN), ARMIDEX, or AROMASIN, learn about those. The more you know, the more you grow.

[dhriscerr]

You want a cycle set up for you, you dont have any guess work no planning nothing, just follow this simple guidline. And you have like 10 cycles to chose from!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

[hben87]

sorry im not try to come of arrogant or anything i know you have knowledge but i guess ill stick with my buddys help and no i dont need you to hold my hand i needed advice for how to use the gear i've got on hand to make the best cycle out of what i got but i guess thats askin to much my bad but ill let you know how my next cycle go's peace for now no hard feelings

[dhriscerr]

Good luck man.