Calling AleX-69

[Dizz28]

What would an Ideal front load look like for EQ. As we all know it's a very slow acting ester and I would like to know what dosage wuold be the quickest to build it up in my system at a anabolic level.

I want to end up doing somewhere around 600mg/wk of it with 1250mg Test E/week. Could you please tell/show me what dosages I need to do in the loading phase to achieve anabolic levels in a shorter time.

Also if you think that is too small/high of a dose of EQ please, Vets and Admin are invitied, share your opinion.

I know you will ask so here it is....
26yo 6' 190lbs
couldn't tell you my Body fat but I really don't have much....Maybe 11%???
My goals are to break the 200lb barrier since I am a very hard gainer (Ectomorphic). I used to run and swim a lot when I was younger and was good at it due to my small body weight in relation to my Hieght. I stopped focusing mainly on Aerobics and turned to bodybuilding due, in part, to a friend of mine that was very into it and also because I was so skinny. I started at age 18 or so and lifted naturally (if using GNC supp. for help still makes it naturally) until 23 or 24 when I did not gain any more weight than I already had and was not getting stronger. I then weighed in the high 170's (which is heavy for me considering the weight that I started at when I was 18) and had a low body fat content, 9%. I have done quite a few cycles since and gained massive amounts of weight....but unfortunately, due to the job commitment I was in, I kept being taken away from the weight lifting environment for periods of time and would lose that weight back to my "normal" weight of high 170's.

I'm finally through with all that and ready to put on muscle I can keep afterwords.

A solid diet for me to post would be difficult. I don't really have a set scheduled eating time like I probably should. I do eat at least 6x a day and focus mainly on protiens and complex carbohydrates...except in the morning when I eat simple sugers to increase glycogen levels for energy to lift heavy a few hours later. Hope this helps with your advice.

BTW, Here is an awesome discription of the three basic body types that Arnold goes over in his book.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatotype

Dizz

[Dizz28]

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[AleX-69]

Hi Dizz,

glad you seek my advice in this matter.. I'll get back to you on monday morning if thats ok?
Sadly i don't have much time on my hands this weekend.

aleX

[Dizz28]

Hi Dizz,

glad you seek my advice in this matter.. I'll get back to you on monday morning if thats ok?
Sadly i don't have much time on my hands this weekend.

aleX

Not a Problem

Dizz

[vitor]

Alex will probaly explain this in detail when hes got time,
anyway,

A frontload at 1200mg will bring your blood consentration of that hormone at 600 mg at day 7(second week.) If thats the dosage you have chosen, I would go with that...

If you start of at 600 mg the first week and so on, it will take roughly 7 weeks before your blood consentration of that hormone is 600.

[AleX-69]

Hi Dizz, sorry it took me so long, but i was on an unexpected vacation till yesterday. So to your questions:

If you want to run EQ at 600mg/week devided into 2 injections i would frontload approx 1.4gramm EQ on the first day. Then continue with bi-weekly injections of 300mg.



For test E i would go with a frontload of 1.5 - 1.7gramm on day one and the continue your bi-weekly injections of 625mg.



Frontloading always bears the risk of expiriencing more pronunced side effects compared to a traditional cycle start due to the rapid increase in hormone lvls.

[Kale]

So here is a question for you. What if you are on Test E at 100mg per week as part of HRT. Is there a need to front load if I want to do 500mg / week ?

[AleX-69]

hi kale... Do you do bi weekly incetions (i.e. 50mg 2x) or one single injection?

[marcus300]

Because of the half life of EQ you need to double the amount up to the first half life, so if my memory serves me correct that would be for the first 14 days.

[Kale]

hi kale... Do you do bi weekly incetions (i.e. 50mg 2x) or one single injection?

Single injection

[AleX-69]

This graph shows you normal test dose followed by 500mg test /e weekly - single injection.
You can see that it takes approx 20days (a little more acutally) for the test E to reach desired blood concentration.



Now if you only do a small frontload of 750mg Test E on cycle day one you can shorten the time to reach the desired blood concentration to approx 10 days.



You can also see, that administering Test E only once a week is not optimal due to hormone swings. Bi weekly injections provide much more stable hormone levels.

Moreover i'd like to say that AAS half lifes are GREATLY influenced by the carrier oil and solvents which were used.
If you use Tea Seed oil instead of castor oil this can shorten a steroids half life by about 70%. Moreover things like BB, EO, BS, BA concentration also influence Invasion time.
So in conclusion the graphs provided above are not necessarily correct at all times. They are more of a guideline---

[AleX-69]

Because of the half life of EQ you need to double the amount up to the first half life, so if my memory serves me correct that would be for the first 14 days.

Well Deca has also a very long half life, hasn't it? But a very short invasion time so there is no big frontload needed with deca - technically.
BTW i frontloaded deca for my first cycle some years ago and felt its effects in less then a week.

[Kale]

This graph shows you normal test dose followed by 500mg test /e weekly - single injection.
You can see that it takes approx 20days (a little more acutally) for the test E to reach desired blood concentration.



Now if you only do a small frontload of 750mg Test E one cycle day one you can shorten the time to reach the desired blood concentration to approx 10 days.



You can also see, that administering Test E only once a week is not optimal due to hormone swings. Bi weekly injections provide much more stable hormone levels.

Moreover i'd like to say that AAS half lifes are GREATLY influenced by the carrier oil and solvents which were used.
If you use Tea Seed oil instead of castor oil this can shorten a steroids half life by about 70%. Moreover things like BB, EO, BS, BA concentration also influence Invasion time.
So in conclusion the graphs provided above are not necessarily correct at all times. They are more of a guideline---

Thats awesome dude, thanks for the info. I will got to two shots a week as well

[marcus300]

Well Deca has also a very long half life, hasn't it? But a very short invasion time so there is no big frontload needed with deca - technically.
BTW i frontloaded deca for my first cycle some years ago and felt its effects in less then a week.

Front loading should be double amount up to first half life.

[AleX-69]

Front loading should be double amount up to first half life.

really? Please Explain... i am curious

[AleX-69]

Ok marcus i'll try to show why i Think your approach is suboptimal...
I will use a very simple example. Lets say target individual wants to run 1000mg Test E / week. Test E has a half life of approx 10 days. He uses Bi-weekly injections.

Following your approach the individual should use 3 injections of 1000mg (double the normal amount) on days 1, 4 and 7. This will result in the following blood concentrations:



The peak concentration is 100ng/ml even though hormone levels taper back down to the desired hormone level of around 70ng/ml as you can see here.



Now if you do ONE single frontload of 1.2gramm test on day one and then continue your bi-weekly injections target concentration of 70ng/ml is also achieved within 6 days BUT you do not have an unnecessary hormone spike above your target concentration. This will yield lesser side effects and still maintaing excellent results. Moreover following the approach you posted you are kinda tapering hormone levels ... this is not optimal by any means.

[marcus300]

Yes front loading can be done either on the first day or on each injection day up to the first half life, the reason why i said eq would be better for the latter is because many say that they dont feel/experience much benefit if the front load is done on the first day, ive had alot of feedback saying they didnt feel much at all and was a waste of gear, but if its done up to the half life many experience a hugh difference.

[jdm95lude]

Yes front loading can be done either on the first day or on each injection day up to the first half life, the reason why i said eq would be better for the latter is because many say that they dont feel/experience much benefit if the front load is done on the first day, ive had alot of feedback saying they didnt feel much at all and was a waste of gear, but if its done up to the half life many experience a hugh difference.

Can you explain what kind of dosages they where doing? Thanks

[AleX-69]

Yes front loading can be done either on the first day or on each injection day up to the first half life, the reason why i said eq would be better for the latter is because many say that they dont feel/experience much benefit if the front load is done on the first day, ive had alot of feedback saying they didnt feel much at all and was a waste of gear, but if its done up to the half life many experience a hugh difference.

Allright. Thanks for your input. I have no personal expierence with EQ Frontloads - only theoretical data. If you have anecdotal evidence that frontloading EQ like you explained it would be better, i take your word for it.

[marcus300]

Allright. Thanks for your input. I have no personal expierence with EQ Frontloads - only theoretical data. If you have anecdotal evidence that frontloading EQ like you explained it would be better, i take your word for it.

Its more the longer esters what seem to benefit from this process not just eq,

do you front load alex?

[AleX-69]

Well in the past when i used to use longer esters and traditional cycles i always frontloaded..

Nowadays - as u know - i am only doing short cycles and using fast acting esters only. But even those i frontload on cycle day -1 with one extra injection. Don't know if this beneftis much but i feel better that way

[vitor]

Nowadays - as u know - i am only doing short cycles and using fast acting esters only.

Alex,
In your short cycles do you keep the dosages roughly the same every time?
Yust switching compounds?

[AleX-69]

yeah.. test as base compound and switching between masterone, var, Halo, winny. Dosages remain mostly the same.