PCT Alternative

[jmkru]

I am thinking of running a phera vol cycle 15/15/15/15. My question is if there are any alternatives to running Clomid in my pct? This may be a really dumb question, but this will be my first cycle and I want to do it correctly. Phera vol is made by EST and the chemical structure is that of Phera Plex. Thanks and I hope someone can help me.

[dupa95]

nolvadex for the alternative. have Letrozole on hand for gyno

[nephilim666]

bro those doses are so low , your going to shut yourself down and not get good results, imo run it 15/30/30/30(45)

its not a harsh compound ur not guna die.

[jmkru]

Would an anti-estrogen product such as 6-oxo be too weak for my pct?

[jmkru]

bro those doses are so low , your going to shut yourself down and not get good results, imo run it 15/30/30/30(45)

its not a harsh compound ur not guna die.

What could you suggest for a pct alternative?

[Anaboxa34]

Why dont you want to run clomid?

[UpstateTank]

Would an anti-estrogen product such as 6-oxo be too weak for my pct?

yes!
6oxo will not restart your hpta

If you want an alternative use nolva

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Just get clomid and aromasin, I dont see why you cant, yet you can order from other sites??

Also, get some letro.

[number twelve]

ar-r.com

[jmkru]

Thanks for the input. This was more out of curiosity and just sheer ignorance. I think I have pretty much looked at everyone's PP or SD logs and noticed that everyone used the same thing. I guess that is because it works. I won't start this cycle for another two months. I have a temporary duty assignment over seas and I will need some time to save money for my supporting supplements and PCT. I will put together a list for my PCT and let you guys mold it as you see fit. Thanks again.

[hawktribal]

i'd run an AI and a serm. clomid/nolva for the serm and an ai such as arimidex, letro (i'd avoid if you can), exemestane, etc. if you're going to run nolva you're going to want to run a Type I ai such as aromasin bc type2 like arimidex decrease the effectiveness of nolva. also, i'd include myogenx in your pct to get the boys going. buy 2 bottles and run it at 6 caps/ed for 30 days. that would put you in great shape. i'm also going to second that you bump up your dosage to 30 and maintain through out. 30/30/30/30 and make sure you get supporting supps like milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and flush free niacin. good luck

[jmkru]

i'd run an AI and a serm. clomid/nolva for the serm and an ai such as arimidex, letro (i'd avoid if you can), exemestane, etc. if you're going to run nolva you're going to want to run a Type I ai such as aromasin bc type2 like arimidex decrease the effectiveness of nolva. also, i'd include myogenx in your pct to get the boys going. buy 2 bottles and run it at 6 caps/ed for 30 days. that would put you in great shape. i'm also going to second that you bump up your dosage to 30 and maintain through out. 30/30/30/30 and make sure you get supporting supps like milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and flush free niacin. good luck

Thanks for the info man. I just ordered the phera vol, but like I said I will need to save money for everything else. I will post what my cycle, diet and routine will look like soon.

[SVTMuscle*]

Nolva and Myogenx

[hawktribal]

Nolva and Myogenx

i wouldn't run nolva without an AI because it could lead to some progestin gyno (i experienced this), that being said i do like this pct.

nolva, myogenx, aromasin.. this is how i would run it. clomid would be a good option instead of nolva as well, but clomid can give some people nasty sides hence the nolva might be a better option

[hawktribal]

this is a great read from stocky's pct thread btw. he recommends tongkat, but imo myogenx is far and away superior. i just copied and pasted this:

PROHORMONE PCT

Most of us, who have been on this board for some time, know that you need a PCT after a PP or SD cycle. New members ask why we need to take all of these substances after a cycle. During a PP or SD cycle, your natural testosterone production can shut down. For many individuals the reduced natural test while put a halt to your sperm production. This is a problem if you want to have a child. After you finish your cycle, it can take months before your body starts to produce test on its own. During this time, your strength levels will diminish, your body fat levels will rise, and you could suffer from depression and have the temptation to jump on again. This would only make matters worse.

What might a typical PCT look like?
Weeks 1-4 100mg of Clomid (SERM) and 25mg of Aromasin (AI)

Why not nolva? Superdrol and pheraplex are progestins which means that means that nolva can cause or make existing gyno worse. Macrophage69alpha (supplement guru): Clomid does not upregulate the PgR (as nolva does). After speaking with Macro, he recommended stacking clomid (SERM) and aromasin (AI) together. The aromasin is not supposed to have a negative impact on blood lipid levels, like other AI's can.

What are some support supplements that I should be concerned with? Go to the supplement forum and examine, closely, Bryan2's stickie on cholesterol, liver, and blood pressure support supplements.

Because SD and PP are progestins, they can be hard on your libido and your ability to have erections, during PCT. I've found that 800-1200mg of tongkat ali to be a good choice for libido purposes. As for the ability to have erections, then the cialis (or viagra) is the only way to go. I prefer cialis because it stays in your system for 36 hours. This lets you be more spontaneous, which your woman will appreciate.

For those of you wanting to make sure your sperm count and motility are up to par, here are some supplements and research chemicals that can help: Arginine, Zinc, Vitamin C, Coenzyme Q10, Flaxseed Oil, L-carnitine, Selenium, Vitamin B12, Vitamin E, DHEA, Panax Ginseng, Astragalus, Sarsaparilla, and Clomid. This is more of a concern for those wanting to father a child.

[SVTMuscle*]

yaeh i forgot the aromasin or adex my bad

[hawktribal]

yeah man, i actually prefer nolva over clomid. an ai is a must. i think myogenx fits in perfectly with that pct. i'm a week into pct (of a test/ winny cycle) and i'm already recovering quite well down there.