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  1. 03-08-2007, 11:16 AM #1
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    Planning 1st & 2nd... Help wanted...

    I'm planning my 1st and second cycle, now i'm dieting to lower bodyfat, now i'm approx 15%... I want to drop to 10% than start the first cycle.
    My stats are 180 cm, 90 kg... Training in and out the gym for 8 years, seriously 4 years, i had to stop for 1 year due to life problems but now i managed to go back to the gym...
    This is what i'm planning:

    1st cycle:

    week 1 – 4 = D-bol 40mg ED
    week 1 – 10 = Enan 500mg/wk

    Nolvadex run for 12 weeks at 10 mg ED

    At least 6 weeks off cutting the fat gained durin the cycle than:


    2nd Cycle:

    week 1 – 4 = D-bol 40mg ED
    week 1 – 10 = Test Cyp. 500mg/wk
    week 1 - 10 = Tren 50mg/ed

    Nolvadex run for 12 weeks at 10 mg ED.


    I'm concerned if taking Letro in PCT would be wise, specially for the second....

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated...
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  2. 03-08-2007, 01:21 PM #2
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  3. 03-08-2007, 01:26 PM #3
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    Cycles look decent, I dont know if you want to make a 2nd cycle until you kind of see how your body reacts to your first one. Also Tren for second cycle might be alittle early but only you will know once you start it. Also I haven't heard of alot of people puting Letro in there PCT L-dex and Aromasin for AI's but no letro. Also you didnt say what you were planning for PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by acciaio
    I'm planning my 1st and second cycle, now i'm dieting to lower bodyfat, now i'm approx 15%... I want to drop to 10% than start the first cycle.
    My stats are 180 cm, 90 kg... Training in and out the gym for 8 years, seriously 4 years, i had to stop for 1 year due to life problems but now i managed to go back to the gym...
    This is what i'm planning:

    1st cycle:

    week 1 – 4 = D-bol 40mg ED
    week 1 – 10 = Enan 500mg/wk

    Nolvadex run for 12 weeks at 10 mg ED

    At least 6 weeks off cutting the fat gained durin the cycle than:


    2nd Cycle:

    week 1 – 4 = D-bol 40mg ED
    week 1 – 10 = Test Cyp. 500mg/wk
    week 1 - 10 = Tren 50mg/ed

    Nolvadex run for 12 weeks at 10 mg ED.


    I'm concerned if taking Letro in PCT would be wise, specially for the second....

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated...
    Plan 1 cycle at a time to see how it goes..no reason to even think 2nd right now...1st cycle Test only..2nd you can add d-bol.....No one needs three different compounds for their 2nd cycle.
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    Why are you planning to run a second cycle 6 weeks after your first before you even start your first?
    Thats my concern/question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Bino
    Why are you planning to run a second cycle 6 weeks after your first before you even start your first?
    Thats my concern/question.
    I'm planning my second cycle because i buy all the things together... I save a lot of money buying them together, because what it costs me more is shipping and not the compounds....

    Between the cycles i will wait at least six week, to restabilsh my natural test. level and have my blood test done, obviously if for any reason i feel i have to wait more i will, i'm not in a hurry.... After my 1st i will check if everything is allright, cut the unwanted fat and eventually start my second....
    Buy the roids now and don't use them costs me less then buying them later....
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    Usually its time on cycle+PCT = Time off before next cycle; So 10 weeks Cycle + 2 weeks until PCT + PCT = roughly 16-18 Weeks until your 2nd cycle from the end of PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhriscerr
    Usually its time on cycle+PCT = Time off before next cycle; So 10 weeks Cycle + 2 weeks until PCT + PCT = roughly 16-18 Weeks until your 2nd cycle from the end of PCT
    I'm taking nolvadex trough all the cycle and two weeks after it ends... than wait at least 4 weeks...

    Do you think i have to consider a longer PCT?

    P.S. Thanks for the help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acciaio
    I'm taking nolvadex trough all the cycle and two weeks after it ends... than wait at least 4 weeks...

    Do you think i have to consider a longer PCT?

    P.S. Thanks for the help!
    Yes you need a longer pct and you also need longer time off between cycles. I would go read up on the pct forum to get a good idea of how to do a proper pct.
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    I had a look and made adjustment...
    What about a PCT like this:

    4 week:

    Nolvadex: 30mg ED
    Exemestane: 20mg ED

    Total time off 10 weeks at least...
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    10 weeks would be minimum 14-18 would be better, but bloodwork will tell you when your running right again, but just because you are dont jump right back on cycle.
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    Ok... I 'll wait more time... As i said before i'm not in a hurry... By the way i think i'll change the Tren on my 2nd and try to use Deca... Probably easier for me...
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    Wise choice on both waiting longer, and swapping out tren on 2nd cycle. Good luck
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  14. 03-09-2007, 11:31 AM #14
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    dhriscerr yours was really a big help!
    Thanks a lot, when i'm going to start i will probably start a new tread with before/after picture...
    If you like have a stop....

    Again thanx!
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