Test Prop Tren Ace, (Dont Yawn!)

[GunSmoke]

Stats 5ft 9 220lbs, 10% Bf

Ok running this 6-7 week cycle

100mg Prop eod 6 weeks
37.5mg 7 Ed Tren Ace 7 weeks
HCG 500iu E3D

PCT.

3 days after the last prop injection,

HCG,&

100mg Nolva Day1, then next 10 Days 60mg, then last 10days, 40mg

Letro on hand for GYNO, was thinking better to run another anti E through out as without available estro tren gyno wont happen??

Opinions please bros

[BG]

You can try some l-dex through out, but being a short cycle I dont see why you couldnt just run nolva from start through pct. I would lower the hcg down to 150-200ius e3d.

[GunSmoke]

Cheers, 150 iu E3d,

Yeah nolva run through out, so ill be buying enough nolva to sink the titanic!! lol

Do you agree with the prop 6 week and tren 7 week, strarting PCT after the last prop injec, thinkng might be better to run PCT for four weeks intotal to then be 3 weeks after the tren too??

[Dude-Man]

There's no point really in running so much nolvadex. Above 20mg daily there's no dose dependent increase in LH/FSH secretion.

[GunSmoke]

You referring to my planned PCT bro?

[IBdmfkr]

What's your previous cycle experience?

At 5'0 220 with you claiming 10% it seems you have some experience.

Maybe post a pic of yourself? I don't think your dosages are high enough depending on your past cycles.

[fLgAtOr]

Stats 5ft 9 220lbs, 10% Bf

Ok running this 6-7 week cycle

100mg Prop eod 6 weeks
37.5mg 7 Ed Tren Ace 7 weeks
HCG 500iu E3D

PCT.

3 days after the last prop injection,

HCG,&

100mg Nolva Day1, then next 10 Days 60mg, then last 10days, 40mg

Letro on hand for GYNO, was thinking better to run another anti E through out as without available estro tren gyno wont happen??

Opinions please bros

As asked, what's your prior experience look like?

IMO, I will never use Nolva throughout my cycle, especially with Tren. I think any AI is going to be a better choice. I would save the Nolva for PCT, and run Aromasin with it...Just MO, though.

If you're already shooting the Tren ED, why not hit the Prop ED as well? And why stop the Prop early?

[GunSmoke]

What's your previous cycle experience?

At 5'0 220 with you claiming 10% it seems you have some experience.

Maybe post a pic of yourself? I don't think your dosages are high enough depending on your past cycles.

Bro im 5ft 9!!! I do have some exp 24yrs of age, 7yrs of training and bbing shows as natural competitor, one cycle of Test Cyp 500mg for 10weeks,

[GunSmoke]

As asked, what's your prior experience look like?

IMO, I will never use Nolva throughout my cycle, especially with Tren. I think any AI is going to be a better choice. I would save the Nolva for PCT, and run Aromasin with it...Just MO, though.

If you're already shooting the Tren ED, why not hit the Prop ED as well? And why stop the Prop early?

I was adivised that the to do so due to differing ester lngths that it would be better to do tren ed and stop prop one week earlier>>>??

And taken on board the nolva thing as did read of it up regulating progesterone receptors and that will be a problem with tren>>???

[fLgAtOr]

I was adivised that the to do so due to differing ester lngths that it would be better to do tren ed and stop prop one week earlier>>>??

And taken on board the nolva thing as did read of it up regulating progesterone receptors and that will be a problem with tren>>???

Acetate and propinate are fairly similar...So if you have to do it ED, do both ED.

You have it backwards. Most recomend running the Prop a week past the tren. The logic is that there will not be any tren floating around while you are trying to recover, as it is a particularly suppressive compound. However, with that said, I've stopped both at the same time and went directly into PCT the next day (reference: Anthony Roberts PCT) and had no issues.

I've read the same about Nolva. My opinion is based more on the fact that I am gyno prone and Nolva doesn't do jack shit for me. In addition, AI's will keep you "dryer" in a sense. There is also some evidence that Letro is supposed to "downregulate progesterone receptors"???? Or so I've heard. Not sure about that one.

In the end, it's a relatively low dosed cycle, so you shouldn't have many issues. But an AI, IMO, is always a more effective approach.

[GunSmoke]

Ah right, good interception then bro,

What do you run pct if not a nolva fan?

Thanks

[jagdpanther]

I was adivised that the to do so due to differing ester lngths that it would be better to do tren ed and stop prop one week earlier>>>??

And taken on board the nolva thing as did read of it up regulating progesterone receptors and that will be a problem with tren>>???

Ahh why did they tell you to stop the prop one week earlier?
I know the half life of proprionate is a a little longer then acetate but a week would be overkill and that is not the only consideration.
If anything i'd stop the tren a week earlier. Tren a nandrolone derivative is particularly hard on your Hypothalamic-Testicular-Pituitary-Axis. I like to make sure it is all gone from my system before starting PCT.

After edit:
flGator beat me to it. I basically agree with him.

[fLgAtOr]

Ah right, good interception then bro,

What do you run pct if not a nolva fan?

Thanks

During cycle..not PCT.

My last PCT was Nolva/Aromasin/HCG. Loved it. (Well, if someone could love a PCT, thats the one I would love.)

During cycle, I used Letro at roughly .6mg EOD. May have been able to go lower.

[GunSmoke]

what did ur HCG protocal look like?

Thanks

[taiboxa]

am i readin this right? u want to run prop for 6 weeks and tren for 7? (yes im dyslexic and i have ADHD)

[fLgAtOr]

what did ur HCG protocal look like?

Thanks

500 i.u. ED for 10 days.

I think I should have gone longer.

[BG]

am i readin this right? u want to run prop for 6 weeks and tren for 7? (yes im dyslexic and i have ADHD)

I didnt even notice that until now.

[BG]

500 i.u. ED for 10 days.

I think I should have gone longer.

I like 1000 iu's eod for the total 10,000ius.
Gunsmoke.....Run the prop 2 weeks longer then the tren imo.

[GunSmoke]

Okay some refining to do lol,

Test Prop 50 ed for 8wks
Tren Ace 37.5 ed for 6 weeks
HCG 150 E3D duration of cycle
Letro EOD .6mg

PCT

1000iu ED for 10 days
Nolvadex 60mg day 1, 40mg for 10 days, 20mg for 10 days
Cant get aromasin, can get adex,clomid,proviron??#

Thanks

[taiboxa]

i dont see a need for such extensive use of hcg.. if i was GOING to use it but i wouldnt for such a short simple cycle.. i would run it for like a week or two PRIOR to pct and thats it.

[fLgAtOr]

Okay some refining to do lol,

Test Prop 50 ed for 8wks
Tren Ace 37.5 ed for 6 weeks
HCG 150 E3D duration of cycle
Letro EOD .6mg

PCT

1000iu ED for 10 days
Nolvadex 60mg day 1, 40mg for 10 days, 20mg for 10 days
Cant get aromasin, can get adex,clomid,proviron??#

Thanks

Dude man already covered the nolva.

There's no point really in running so much nolvadex. Above 20mg daily there's no dose dependent increase in LH/FSH secretion.

Click on aromasin in blue.

[GunSmoke]

ok yeah got ya, thought dude man was describing the use during cycle, but got you loud n clear.

had a look at aromasin, was there anythin in partic i should of taken in, i cant get aromasin is there a similar A.I that will exhibit the same effects (god i feel noobish)

As fas as the HCG use i was told that its the "nuts" and will help recovery if used alongside short potent cycles

[BG]

It wont hurt to run a low dosa of hcg during.

[IBdmfkr]

Bro im 5ft 9!!! I do have some exp 24yrs of age, 7yrs of training and bbing shows as natural competitor, one cycle of Test Cyp 500mg for 10weeks,

Yea I put 5'0, I meant to type 5'9..

At your stats I'd run something like this:
Test Prop: 100mg/day 8wks
Tren: 50mg/day 6wks

Nice stats btw, 220 5'9 at 10% with only one cycle under you is solid.