Iran: Britain Must Admit Navy Trespassed

[shrpskn]

Iran: Britain Must Admit Navy Trespassed
Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:37 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By NASSER KARIMI

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's foreign minister said Wednesday that Britain must admit that its 15 sailors and marines entered Iranian waters in order to resolve a standoff over their capture by Iranian authorities.
Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki's announcement came on a day of escalating tensions, highlighted by an Iranian video of the detained Britons that showed the only woman captive saying her group had "trespassed" in Iranian waters. Britain angrily denounced the video as unacceptable and froze most dealings with the mideast nation.
"First they have to admit that they have made a mistake. Admitting the mistake will facilitate a solution to the problem," Mottaki told The Associated Press in an interview in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. "But unfortunately the British have not admitted their mistake."
Mottaki also backed off a prediction that the female sailor, Faye Turney, could be freed Wednesday or Thursday, but said Tehran agreed to allow British officials to meet with service personnel.
His comments were the first confirmation that Iran agreed to a British request for a consular visit with the crew, though he did not specify when. Iran has not said where the 15 are being held.
"We have accepted that (the British request), there is no problem. Measures are underway (to arrange meeting.) They can meet them," he said.

[shrpskn]

Looks like we have a stalemate with this for now...better than rumors of attacks and war, I suppose.

[Red Ketchup]

According to BBC news:



1 Crew boards merchant ship 1.7NM inside Iraqi waters
2 HMS Cornwall was south-east of this, and inside Iraqi waters
3 Iran tells UK that merchant ship was at a different point, still within Iraqi waters
4 After UK points this out, Iran provides alternative position, now within Iranian waters

I think iran is skating on very thin ice here...

Red

[shrpskn]

I think iran is skating on very thin ice here...

Red

Couldn't agree with you more...

[Snrf]

fvck diplomacy, send in the SAS/SBS ... kick the snot out of whoevers holding them, rescue the troops, then bomb the crap out of their infrastructure/government.....

thats what I'd do anyway

[nbkandrew13]

what do you think would happen if they attempted to confront 15 american soldiers? i think they know better, surely they realize that bush is looking for an excuse to bomb the hell out of them,.

[Warrior]

Iran is fuking with the dragons... this is not good...

[Flagg]

It's in all the English papers today, apparantly the Marines have "admitted" to being in the Iran waters and there's huge outcry cause the one female soldier was used, in a bhurka, to "appologise"...obviously some kinda angle Iran is using because of the fact she's a woman. You know, the West will feel that more vulnerable and helpless and all that.

British Government is going abosolutely balistic cause they KNOW that those soldiers were in Iraq waters, they have GPS evidence, so they KNOW that those soldiers are being forced to say that stuff. Apparantly the soldier made a point of how well they're being treated.

Iran LOVE this. They love this cause they think they're scaring the West.

Hmm, I wonder..

[RA]

I havent seen any proof as of yet.

It's in all the English papers today, apparantly the Marines have "admitted" to being in the Iran waters and there's huge outcry cause the one female soldier was used, in a bhurka, to "appologise"...obviously some kinda angle Iran is using because of the fact she's a woman. You know, the West will feel that more vulnerable and helpless and all that.

British Government is going abosolutely balistic cause they KNOW that those soldiers were in Iraq waters, they have GPS evidence, so they KNOW that those soldiers are being forced to say that stuff. Apparantly the soldier made a point of how well they're being treated.

Iran LOVE this. They love this cause they think they're scaring the West.

Hmm, I wonder..

[alphaman]

I havent seen any proof as of yet.

Proof of what?

[Bigen12]

It's in all the English papers today, apparantly the Marines have "admitted" to being in the Iran waters and there's huge outcry cause the one female soldier was used, in a bhurka, to "appologise"...obviously some kinda angle Iran is using because of the fact she's a woman. You know, the West will feel that more vulnerable and helpless and all that.

British Government is going abosolutely balistic cause they KNOW that those soldiers were in Iraq waters, they have GPS evidence, so they KNOW that those soldiers are being forced to say that stuff. Apparantly the soldier made a point of how well they're being treated.

Iran LOVE this. They love this cause they think they're scaring the West.

Hmm, I wonder..

It's amazing what one will say when some nut is holding a rusty knife to your throat.

[shrpskn]

It's amazing what one will say when some nut is holding a rusty knife to your throat.

Ain't that the truth? I'm sure there not small knives either...more like swords. I think I'd tell them what they want to hear too, if I knew it meant I was going to see my family again.

No doubt in my mind that these poor souls are being coerced into saying what ever it is they are saying...

[Warrior]

Iran thinks the Western people don't have the stomach for another battle in the Middle East... these are crazy days - and I have a front row seat to this mess...

[thegodfather]

My uncle is currently in Iraq and is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army... He alluded to the fact a year ago that our presence in Iraq was basically a means to have a foothold in the region for a better angle against Iran. The statements coming from the Tehran administration are fanatical and ideologic. This is the perfect example of what you get when you mix religion and government into one.

If it were up to me? We would do exactly to Iran as we did to Iraq in the original Gulf war. Launch a MASSIVE air campaign against them for 60-100 days and completely incapacitate their radar&other AA weaponry. Once we have air superiority, we just disable their entire military from the air. Use bunkerbusters to take out their resources undergound. We have the stealth technology capable of destroying their air defenses without ever being detected. Id like to hear your opinion on this Warrior....

Also, I think we should all come to the realization that Irans uranium enrichment is NOT just for energy purposes and I'm sure that as we speak some of it is being funneled out to Al-Qaeda or other groups to make 'dirty' bombs. If and when Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons, that would be a very scary day. A top ranking Tehran official was quoted the other day in an MSN article as saying the government is devoted to "martydom." This means that the basic principles of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) do not have any affect over an administration that believe its people will be vindicated if they launch a nuclear attack against the US and kill a few million, and then we wipe out their entire population in under 40 minutes...

[Flagg]

I havent seen any proof as of yet.

What proof? Read a newspaper or watch the news.

[Snrf]

Iran thinks the Western people don't have the stomach for another battle in the Middle East... these are crazy days - and I have a front row seat to this mess...

I don't think we have the stomach for another ground war, but with 70% of the (usually liberal) British public in favour of military action to extract those troops I don't think too many people would complain if we bombed them back into the stone age....

[Flagg]

I don't think we have the stomach for another ground war, but with 70% of the (usually liberal) British public in favour of military action to extract those troops I don't think too many people would complain if we bombed them back into the stone age....

They practically live in the Stone Age now, with the attitudes and laws they have in todays society.

[RA]

Proof that they actually went into Iranian waters.

[Logan13]

Proof that they actually went into Iranian waters.

There is actually GPS and satelite proof that the Brits were in Iraqi waters. Even the original coordinates submitted by the Iranians put the Brits in Iraqi waters. When this was pointed out to them, they changed it.

[Flagg]

Proof that they actually went into Iranian waters.

We have GPS evidence that those Marines were in Iraqi waters. So infact its the Irans that were trespassing.

[Flagg]

There is actually GPS and satelite proof that the Brits were in Iraqi waters. Even the original coordinates submitted by the Iranians put the Brits in Iraqi waters. When this was pointed out to them, they changed it.

Yeah I heard about them changing their claims. But still they HAVEN'T released those soldiers..

[RA]

We have GPS evidence that those Marines were in Iraqi waters. So infact its the Irans that were trespassing.

Cool. I figured it was going to turn to be something like that. The thing is Iran knows the international community will stand around with its thumb up their collective ass and not really do anything about it.

[dhriscerr]

Im all for bombing the shit out of them, and all that other stuff, just please dont call me back to active duty, I dont want to go fight in Iran, 2 times in Iraq was enough, I can only consider myself lucky so many times, one of these times my number will come up . I have friends in Iraq for their 4th time now, odds are turning against them. Come on Jan 22, 2009!!!! The day my inactive ready reserves is up

[Adam F]

Seems like people on this thread are forgetting that Iran is backed by Russia. Where do you think they are getting the nuclear fuel? Russia is actually helping Iran build $800 million complex.. Hmm they say it's for energy! Wonder if they ever heard of windmills lol.

[Benches505]

Iran thinks the Western people don't have the stomach for another battle in the Middle East... these are crazy days - and I have a front row seat to this mess...

I think Iran is correct, all you have to do is turn the news on over here and it's all geared against the war.

Stay safe brother! I don't think anything is going to come of it

[Flagg]

Well now Iran want to put those soldiers on trial.

Looks like we'll be going to war with Iran then.

[zodiac666]

I think Iran is correct, all you have to do is turn the news on over here and it's all geared against the war.

Stay safe brother! I don't think anything is going to come of it

hopefully you're right and iran will make the right decision, but iran illegally detained 15 british soldiers, anyone who is against getting those soldiers back is a worthless piece of shit. that is an official act of war, if they don't return the soldiers i almost guarantee the shit will hit the fan. if they were American soldiers and we didn't do anything to get them back i would lose a hell of a lot of respect for my country.

also we know iran is giving weapons to the insurgents in iraq to use against US forces so if we detain iranians crossing the border into iraq it is completely different.

the evil side of me says thank you iran, please give us an excuse motherfvckers!!!

[shrpskn]

that is an official act of war, if they don't return the soldiers i almost guarantee the shit will hit the fan.

Yep, I think the shit just might fly before this is over with...

[Damien_III]

The fact that the UK RM were in iraq or iran waters means nothing because international law states that if another boat or ship is in your waters than you should escort it out into international waters and form a compint to the government on the intervning ship or boat.

They took its sailors hostage, paraded them on tv and foced them into a confesion which is totaly illiagal the fact that they are not being bombed into the ground is because of the UK govenment is building public suport and has no money or equiptment to do it alone. SO they will ask the US for assistance if not israil aswell.
So give it a few days or weeks and Iran wll be a shadow of its former cocky self.

It seems to be them that are looking for a war with the west. If they are not carefull they will get they wish.

[shrpskn]

^^ I'm sure Israel would be the first to volunteer support.

I know it's a different world today, but remember when Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities in the early 80's?...I think Iran is more of a threat to Israel today, than Iraq was 20 yeas ago...so you could understand why they would probably be quick to join in any military action that would be taken on Iran...I wouldn't blame them either.

[alphaman]

Iran is in over it's head. It seems as though they're nearing a point of no return.

[Benches505]

I'm no anti war tree hugger and served my time in the military. With that said we need to really think about this before jumping into another war. They had American hostages for how long in the late 70's without us doing much except a failed rescue mission? we later got them back by traing arms for hostages.

Can we afford another war? Lets assume we can, where do we get the man power? We would need a draft. Bringing Israel into it is not an option as the political climate does not allow it, any arab countries that would lend bases etc would have to deny us for fear of their leaders being killed for appearing to help the jews. There is alot more to this than lets kick their asses

[alphaman]

I'm no anti war tree hugger and served my time in the military. With that said we need to really think about this before jumping into another war. They had American hostages for how long in the late 70's without us doing much except a failed rescue mission? we later got them back by traing arms for hostages.

Can we afford another war? Lets assume we can, where do we get the man power? We would need a draft. Bringing Israel into it is not an option as the political climate does not allow it, any arab countries that would lend bases etc would have to deny us for fear of their leaders being killed for appearing to help the jews. There is alot more to this than lets kick their asses

You're right, but.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263041,00.html

[Logan13]

I'm no anti war tree hugger and served my time in the military. With that said we need to really think about this before jumping into another war. They had American hostages for how long in the late 70's without us doing much except a failed rescue mission? we later got them back by traing arms for hostages.

Can we afford another war? Lets assume we can, where do we get the man power? We would need a draft. Bringing Israel into it is not an option as the political climate does not allow it, any arab countries that would lend bases etc would have to deny us for fear of their leaders being killed for appearing to help the jews. There is alot more to this than lets kick their asses

This would obviously be more than a Brit/US campaign, man-power will not be a problem. It only takes 1-2 people to fly an F16......... The US could, if pushed, bomb them into rubble without putting one soldier on the ground. Hopefully it will not come to that, but if this turns into another 14 month long hostage crisis, than shame on the free world for doing nothing and for furthering the Middle East perception that the West is a paper tiger. These people do not care for diplomacy, and the naive citizens of the world will one day realise this. I just hope that it does not take a nuke going off in a large city to make them see it.

[eliteforce]

What no one in 33 posts has mentioned is..
That the US is holding 5 Iranian diplolmats that they arrested illegally after invading a diplomatic building,; diplomatic missions are supposed to be no-go zones under international law; these diplomats have not been charged and months have gone by since they were "taken hostage". Iran has repeatedly called for their release to no avail. The US seems to "think" that these diplomats were involved in insergent activity but more likly they were simply making contacts with variuos rebel groups-you know, since those rebels are gonna be running that country in a couple of years. The easy way out of this is to simply trade the 5 diplomats for the 15 sailors.

A bombing campaign against Iran would be disasterous-they will immediatly retaliate by pumeling US bases in Iraq with scud type missiles and would make US shipping in the Gulf perilous by use of anti-ship missiles-which have a very high success rate in such narrow waters.

The US would then be forced into an early ceasefire having given and gotten..soft us economy, oil doubles in price, war funding requirement would spiral out of control.

[Bigen12]

What no one in 33 posts has mentioned is..
That the US is holding 5 Iranian diplolmats that they arrested illegally after invading a diplomatic building,; diplomatic missions are supposed to be no-go zones under international law; these diplomats have not been charged and months have gone by since they were "taken hostage". Iran has repeatedly called for their release to no avail. The US seems to "think" that these diplomats were involved in insergent activity but more likly they were simply making contacts with variuos rebel groups-you know, since those rebels are gonna be running that country in a couple of years. The easy way out of this is to simply trade the 5 diplomats for the 15 sailors.

A bombing campaign against Iran would be disasterous-they will immediatly retaliate by pumeling US bases in Iraq with scud type missiles and would make US shipping in the Gulf perilous by use of anti-ship missiles-which have a very high success rate in such narrow waters.

Give me a break, you know what those members of the Iranian military where doing in Iraq, not close to or Iraq, but in Iraq.

Scuds, those inaccurate pieces of shit, that would be a major mistake, and if they are stupid enough to aim them at Israel, they would surely see what a dumb ideal that is.

Big Iranian military……., so was Iraq's several years ago, and whipped out with in a week.

[Benches505]

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...604546,00.html

[alphaman]

What no one in 33 posts has mentioned is..
That the US is holding 5 Iranian diplolmats that they arrested illegally after invading a diplomatic building,; diplomatic missions are supposed to be no-go zones under international law; these diplomats have not been charged and months have gone by since they were "taken hostage". Iran has repeatedly called for their release to no avail. The US seems to "think" that these diplomats were involved in insergent activity but more likly they were simply making contacts with variuos rebel groups-you know, since those rebels are gonna be running that country in a couple of years. The easy way out of this is to simply trade the 5 diplomats for the 15 sailors.

A bombing campaign against Iran would be disasterous-they will immediatly retaliate by pumeling US bases in Iraq with scud type missiles and would make US shipping in the Gulf perilous by use of anti-ship missiles-which have a very high success rate in such narrow waters.

The US would then be forced into an early ceasefire having given and gotten..soft us economy, oil doubles in price, war funding requirement would spiral out of control.

Where do you live again? I think I knew before, but I can't remember....

[mcpeepants]

The UK has given it's GPS evidence so Iran must rebute it by providing the GPS location of it's ships or just hand over the UK troops. Eliteforce makes a good point about the US capturing Iranian diplomats and now the UK and US are crying foul about Iran capturing British troops. I don't know why Iran would show "confessions" of UK troops especially knowing no one is going to believe them. I think they might be using the time to have their engineers and technicians analyze the weapons and the boats of the captured UK troops kind like China did after it shot down the US plane back in 2001.

[mcpeepants]

whoops double post