5th Cycle critique please

[moto man]

Suggested by a friend with years of cycling experience. The following are half doses of what he's running.

1-4 Anavar 80mg/day
1-12 Test Enanthate 750mg /week
1-12 Tren Enanthate 500mg /week
1-12 Masteron 400mg/week
8-12 Winny 100mg/day

Plan to add IGF-3 to this as well.

I don't have experience with all of theses compounds and would appreciate some advice.

Looking to gain lean mass. Currently 190lbs around 10-12%bf.
Previous cycles included Test E,winstrol,Test prop, deca, dbol, and sust

[SMAN12b]

You don't need that many compounds to grow !!!!

How about the rest of your stats, and previous cycles and doses

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[bpm1]

more isnt always better, sometimes its just more (like more health risks)

[moto man]

27
5'11
190lbs (Got very sick two weeks after ending my last cycle and ended up lighter than where I started) Ended last cycle Oct 31

Diet is good. Very fast metabolism dictates I consume atleast 4500cals to really grow.

Previous cycles have been test, test/deca/dbol, test/winny

Last cycle was
1-12 test e 750
1-4 test prop 300/week
12-14 test prop 300/week
10-14 oral winstrol 100mg/ED
1-18 milk thistle

14-18 Clomid
14-18 nolvadex

My goal is to gain as much mass as possible while staying below 10% bf. I prefer to run compounds that minimize water retention. I would like to reach 220 someday, but I know it will take a long time. I 've been training consistently for 6 years and struggle to gain mass.

Considering dropping the eq...waiting for other suggestions.

[Bigmax]

Bro,For mass...you can get about the same results with the Test E and the prop with a kickstart...your mass will come from the nutrition bro....too many compounds IMO....

[MartyMcFly]

Why not just run prop 100/day for 10 weeks and throw in some tren a and some var?

[Snrf]

Yeah what Bigmax said, somethings gotta be off for you to be 190 (though looking very good at 190 I will say) after 5 cycles.

Get your diet posted and critiqued, its usually whats lacking

[outlawtas]

1) First time running Tren should be Tren Ace, because of it's short Ester. Tren can be very harsh for some users, using tren ace will allow you to drop it quickly if any problems arise

2) I wouldn't really kickstart with var, that's more of something you would do with Dbol/Adrol. I think var should be run about 6 weeks. 2 orals in a short period of time also isn't very healthy, but that's really your choice.

3) Adding 4 brand new compounds in 1 cycle is a disaster...if you get some bad sides somewhere along the line you'll have no clue what caused it.

4) Honestly a kick ass lean mass cycle? Test C, E or P, Tren Ace and Anavar. Nice lean gains and the latter 2 compounds help keep you lean, hard and vascular. KISS principle is always better!

[MartyMcFly]

[QUOTE=outlawtas]1) First time running Tren should be Tren Ace, because of it's short Ester. Tren can be very harsh for some users, using tren ace will allow you to drop it quickly if any problems arise

2) I wouldn't really kickstart with var, that's more of something you would do with Dbol/Adrol. I think var should be run about 6 weeks. 2 orals in a short period of time also isn't very healthy, but that's really your choice.

3) Adding 4 brand new compounds in 1 cycle is a disaster...if you get some bad sides somewhere along the line you'll have no clue what caused it.

4) Honestly a kick ass lean mass cycle? Test C, E or P, Tren Ace and Anavar. Nice lean gains and the latter 2 compounds help keep you lean, hard and vascular. KISS principle is always better![/QUOTE]

I see we think a like.

Good man.

[chest6]

5'11" 190 and you are on your 5th cycle? Something doesn't seem right.

Seems to me as your diet and nutrition are lacking

[taiboxa]

5'11" 190 and you are on your 5th cycle? Something doesn't seem right.

Seems to me as your diet and nutrition are lacking

yep
and a test/deca cycle would be most ideal in his situatino.

[MuscleScience]

thats way to many compounds

[moto man]

I should add that the first 2 cycles were mostly fake gear, and as I mentioned I got very sick and dropped a lot of weight after my most recent cycle. I caught the norwalk flu virus. Dropped 17 lbs in 4 days. My weight plummets if I don't eat constantly.

I didn't plan this cycle, it was what a friend wanted me to run.
I'd prefer to run something like this...what do you think.

1-4 Test Prop 300 week
1-12 Test E 750 week
1-12 NPP 500-600 week
10-14 winny 100mg/day

Ok I re-read what you guys are saying...How would you suggest running a test, tren ace, and var cycle...If kickstart with prop, when should I add the var?

[MartyMcFly]

I should add that the first 2 cycles were mostly fake gear, and as I mentioned I got very sick and dropped a lot of weight after my most recent cycle. I caught the norwalk flu virus. Dropped 17 lbs in 4 days. My weight plummets if I don't eat constantly.

I didn't plan this cycle, it was what a friend wanted me to run.
I'd prefer to run something like this...what do you think.

1-4 Test Prop 300 week
1-12 Test E 750 week
1-12 NPP 500-600 week
10-14 winny 100mg/day

Why test E? If you are doing NPP, why not do prop you have to inject ED anyhow and a lot of sources make a combo.

[moto man]

Good point, I know its not the best, could I get away with EOD injections if running NPP and prop?

[MBaraso]

Suggested by a friend with years of cycling experience. The following are half doses of what he's running.

1-4 Anavar 80mg/day
1-12 Test Enanthate 750mg /week
1-12 Equipose 450mg /week
1-12 Tren Enanthate 500mg /week
1-12 Masteron 400mg/week
8-12 Winny 100mg/day

Plan to add IGF-3 to this as well.

I don't have experience with all of theses compounds and would appreciate some advice.

Looking to gain lean mass. Currently 190lbs around 10-12%bf.
Previous cycles included Test E,winstrol,Test prop, deca, dbol, and sust

mast, var, winny in the same cycle...No good.
Week 1-12 Test E 250mgs
Week 1-12 Tren/Enth 500mgs
Week 1-11 Eq 400mgs
Week 9-14 Winny 100mgs ed
extended clomid
ldex and or letro throughout, along w/ b6.
* to see the true effects of winny run it at 100mgs ed, although I don't know if you're ready for a cycle like this...?? Only you know that...
Goodluck,

[fabry]

me too i think that as you have to inject ed (!!!) (or eod) due to npp, i think you could go with prop! and maybe run a lil shorter cycle.

1-10 prop
1-8 npp (or tren)
6-10 winny


i saw that you mentioned var, but (i never used that because too much $$$) seems like you have to run it @ 40/60mg ed min. for 8 wks at least...

but for "pure" mass id go with longer esther, good anti e's and a "clean" heavy diet!
test e or cyp
tren e or deca
and maybe kickstart with dbols, drols (or prop)


seems like you are a bit confused about your goal!

[moto man]

Thanks for the response. I want to stay hard and lean. My goal is as much quality mass as possible.

[fabry]

i honestly will not run prop for long time in a future cycle (wrote couple of replies regardin "my" prop pain).
i think in a next cycle i will stack
test e
tren a
winny or var
(and maybe kickstart with lil prop)

also, i am doing some search about npp... who knows, maybe ill change my idea!