Shortest amount of time Masteron is effective for

[mrsocks]

I'm trying to get Masteron, but i'll probably only be able to get one 20 ml bottle
so at 4 cc's a week that would only last me 5 weeks I don't really know much about Masteron so I want to know if 5 weeks would be worth it or if I should just run EQ with my cycle

1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
8-13 Masteron 400mg ew
11-16 Winstrol 50 mg ed
1-20 Proviron ed



Start PCT day after last shot

PCT:
Clomid 100 mg ed 30 days
20 mg Nolva ed 30 days

Input would be helpful

[Vinlander]

Everyone has their opinion on Masteron and how long to run things. What is your long-term goal for using this cycle?

[Vinlander]

Just looking at your cycle, I would say you need to switch up the Winstrol and Masteron, running the latter at the end of your cycle to cap it off and move into PCT. Masteron's blocking of the estrogen receptors acts as its own PCT and would have benefits in returning your testosterone levels back to normal, or at least that's what I've found in my own experience with it.

[mrsocks]

Just looking at your cycle, I would say you need to switch up the Winstrol and Masteron, running the latter at the end of your cycle to cap it off and move into PCT. Masteron's blocking of the estrogen receptors acts as its own PCT and would have benefits in returning your testosterone levels back to normal, or at least that's what I've found in my own experience with it.

Good call

My long term goal is to get leaner, but the first two months I hope to gain a decent amount of size

Yep

[Vinlander]

Good call

My long term goal is to get leaner, but the first two months I hope to gain a decent amount of size

Yep

Masteron is an excellent bridge in case you want to get back onto a bulking cycle immediately after. I've taken EXACTLY the same route you're taking right now to get to where I am and am very pleased with the results as I'm not attempting to gain weight so much as lean muscle mass and stay at the same proportion I am now.

Don't try to gain mass off of Masteron. It won't work, so don't blame the drug when you don't see the results you're looking for. Both Winstrol and Masteron will only help lean you out and prevent aromatization at the end of your bulking cycle. Nevertheless, I HIGHLY recommend trying this cycle you're about to go on and keeping us updated on your results.

BTW: The pumps on Masteron are awesome. Get ready to have your spotter go for a coke and a smile while you hit 20 reps on that preacher curl station.

[mrsocks]

Bad news my guy is out of Masteron
Oh no!!!!
So this is how my cycle is gonna look

1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
1-13 eq 600mg ew
11-16 Winstrol 50 mg ed
1-20 Proviron ed

[mrsocks]

ok nevermind I can get Masteron, but it's a 20 cc bottle dosed at
200 mg a cc so figure that will last me ten weeks
I'm thinking of maybe doing

1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
8-18 Masteron 400mg ew
11-16 Winstrol 50 mg ed
1-20 Proviron ed

and start PCT on week 17 while still running Proviron and Masteron

[Vinlander]

ok nevermind I can get Masteron, but it's a 20 cc bottle dosed at
200 mg a cc so figure that will last me ten weeks
I'm thinking of maybe doing

1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
8-18 Masteron 400mg ew
11-16 Winstrol 50 mg ed
1-20 Proviron ed

and start PCT on week 17 while still running Proviron and Masteron

That'd be the enanthate version. Make sure to take that every two days, not EOD.

[BITTAPART2]

sounds like it is drostanolone enanthate

[mrsocks]

That'd be the enanthate version. Make sure to take that every two days, not EOD.

ok thanks

Do you think this new cycle layout will work well for me?

[godkilla]

well assuming your using masteron e i would start it a the begining of the cycle and use it along side the sust right up until the end of your cycle. of course this means youll need more masteron though.

dbol 1-4
sust 1-14
mast 1-14
win 11-16

[Vinlander]

I don't think you need the Proviron at all. Any time you can avoid the use of orals, do so. If you have that Proviron, use it as a bridge after you've completed your last day of Masteron and PCT. Otherwise, you're just wasting it. The Masteron will already do a fantastic job of cutting you up (you'll be at about 500mg/week, which is excellent) so Proviron is overkill.

Try this:

1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
8-14 Winstrol 50 mg ed
10-18 Masteron 400mg ew
Proviron weeks 19-24

[Vinlander]

The cycle I just posted should bulk you up for the first 14 weeks and give your liver and hormones some rest. Weeks 8-10 will be some pretty nasty ones for injections, but on the plus side, the Masteron is working to block the estrogen receptors and act as an anti-estrogen for your PCT (due to the Dbol and Sust.), as well as round out the cutting portion of your cycle. Proviron will act seperately (as it doesn't aromatize either), continue the cutting as you bridge and will be less harmful to your body if taken seperately from your already heavy stack. At the end of that Proviron, you're ready to keep rolling w/a new cycle.

[mrsocks]

I'm ordering my stuff soon
The Masteron is in a 10 cc bottle not 20

I'm either doing

1-14 Arimedex
1-4 Dbol 50mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
8-14 Winstrol 50 mg ed
11-16 Drostanalone Propionate (Masteron) 400 mg ew

or

1-14 Arimedex
1-4 Dbol 50mg ed
1-14 Sust 250 800mg ew
8-14 Winstrol 50mg ed
10-18 Drostanalone Propionate (Masteron) 400 mg ew

depending on how much I'll be able to afford

Can I see decent results from 5 weeks of Masteron?

and should I start PCT the day after my last winny injection or after my last masteron injection

[Vinlander]

I saw decent results from it. The only dangers of Masteron are long-term (prostate cancer) if it runs in your family, or male pattern baldness. Taking Masteron for 10 weeks isn't going to throw your day off.

Um.. You really don't need to pincushion yourself like that. Propionate is good for EOD injections. After you get done with the Sustanon injections, you'll be hating life if you're pounding Masteron every day.

Unless it's your passion, bro. Your call.

[perfectbeast2001]

Masteron needs to be shot ED unless you have a long estered version. It is not good for bridging or PCT as it shuts you down just like ALL other AS.

[Vinlander]

I will agree that it shuts you down a bit but on the duration of injections, I'll disagree. Matter of opinion and preference, I suppose.

BTW: Didn't you just have a competition? How'd that go?

[perfectbeast2001]

check my workout log for comp details.

[Vinlander]

Will do.

[mrsocks]

Taking Masteron for 10 weeks isn't going to throw your day off.

but in your opinion would 5 weeks be sufficiant enough

also I found some letrozole from my last cycle so I'm going to run it
from week 1-14 at .5 mg a day instead of aridemex

[Vinlander]

but in your opinion would 5 weeks be sufficiant enough

also I found some letrozole from my last cycle so I'm going to run it
from week 1-14 at .5 mg a day instead of aridemex

Well, think about what you're doing in theory. You're using a drug to assist in the burning of excess fat to lean out your body to a specific level. If you are able to accomplish this in five weeks' time, then that's the duration you need the drug for. If you feel you need longer, then you need longer.

I really wouldn't try and burn off more than 2-4lbs of fat/week because of the decrease in overall wellness and strength, but again, if cardio is aside from your goals, then five weeks should be plenty of time.

I would go longer, honestly, because I don't like to lose so many essential fats so quickly. I feel week on the mat like I'm going to pass out. But this may work for you.

The only REAL way to find out is to do it and see what you end up with. Report back your findings.

[mrsocks]

btw I meant 400 mg a week for Masteron I don't know why it said 50 mg's ed

[Vinlander]

50 ED should be ok, actually, especially if you've never tried this before. My first Masteron cycle was 80mg EOD for six weeks and I was doing ok with that (cut from 14% to 11.5%).

[liftin4life]

50 ED should be ok, actually, especially if you've never tried this before. My first Masteron cycle was 80mg EOD for six weeks and I was doing ok with that (cut from 14% to 11.5%).

What was your weight when you did that 80mg EOD?

[Vinlander]

What was your weight when you did that 80mg EOD?

I was 189lbs at 5'8" and around 14-16% bodyfat.

[mrsocks]

can I just take masteron in one 200 mg shot twice a week
or should it be run at least eod?
it's the prop version

I'm gonna run it eod day at 100 mg anyways so I can take it with the sust, but I'm just curious

[godkilla]

just like test prop you should take your masteron prop ed or eod.

[GFLEXXX]

just a few thoughts for you..if your end results is to get leaner, drop bf and maybe put on a few lbms, maybo consider switching your Dbol to Tbol lower your test mgs per week, increase your masteron mgs per week. May give you a more linear line to your end result stated instead of yo-yoing your way there. If you gain some water in the begining of your cycle your just going to want to get rid of it anyway for your end result.

another idea to eleviate some of the frequent injections is to switch your sus 250(which should be shot every couple days) for e estered test, and switch your Masteron prop to Primobolan which are very similar and have given me pretty much identical results in past....now its 3shots a week mixing primo and test e together...something like...

1-5 tbol 50mg ed
1-12 test e 400mg ew
4-12 primo 6-700mg ew
10-14 wini 50mg ed
then proper pct

just some ideas to throw at ya...

[Vinlander]

just a few thoughts for you..if your end results is to get leaner, drop bf and maybe put on a few lbms, maybo consider switching your Dbol to Tbol lower your test mgs per week, increase your masteron mgs per week. May give you a more linear line to your end result stated instead of yo-yoing your way there. If you gain some water in the begining of your cycle your just going to want to get rid of it anyway for your end result.

another idea to eleviate some of the frequent injections is to switch your sus 250(which should be shot every couple days) for e estered test, and switch your Masteron prop to Primobolan which are very similar and have given me pretty much identical results in past....now its 3shots a week mixing primo and test e together...something like...

1-5 tbol 50mg ed
1-12 test e 400mg ew
4-12 primo 6-700mg ew
10-14 wini 50mg ed
then proper pct

just some ideas to throw at ya...

Why would you switch Masteron to an oral Primobolan? You're eliminating an estrogen blocker for a slightly hepatoxic steroid that does the same thing w/o the positive, PCT effects? Bad advice.

[GFLEXXX]

Vin your a reeeet! who said oral primo Vin???? Read the post properly please prior to making comments...obviously your a bit slow so to point out the obvious I said "3shots a week mixing primo and test e together"...now unless you think I meant crushing your Primo tabs and putting into your syringe with your test e, it is pretty obviously injectable primo, and if you ask why it is because of the esters if you are at all familiar with them....

My advice is just fine, you not reading properly and putting up stupid posts is BAD...

[Vinlander]

Even if you're assuming that, you're still telling him to switch Masteron to a drug that's 2x as expensive that does the same thing? Have you ever purchased Primobolan? It's not cheap.

[godkilla]

snds like you two need some time alone

[Vinlander]

snds like you two need some time alone

Why do you think that is?

[GFLEXXX]

Vin you just want to piss with everyone don't you?? I shouldn't even be responding to you, you don't deserve it the way your trying to agravate everyone instead of discussing topics. However to answer your question I have ~ a dozen and a half cycles under my belt and primo and mast have been a part of many of them...the advice or opinions I give people is from my experience using said compounds...is Primo expensive YES, is it worth every penny as is matseron YES. you should know why I suggested Primo...if you don't too bad.

and tell me again know it all why you thought it was oral primo in my post?? exactly.

Actually don't resond, cause I won't respond to you anymore your a waste of time...

[Vinlander]

I don't consider you to be "everyone" and the feeling about a "waste" is mutual, trust me.

[mrsocks]

fsadasd