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I would like peoples' opinions on Test Suspension as a kickstart to a cycle. Could it be used to replace Dianabol's traditional role as an inhibitor for a Deca Durabolin stack for the same duration? (i.e.: 50mg/ED Test Suspension, weeks 1-4 instead of Dianabol 40mg/ED)
What would be the pros? Cons? How does this affect PCT if at all?
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I had a love/hate relationship with test. I loved the results and the fact that it kicked in right away and like most I hit a wall with injecting 2x a day(some inject more). I also got huge too quick(yes that can be a bad thing), I would feel winded walking up a flight of stairs, and I decided, never again, test sus is not for me. It may work well as a kick start, never looked at it that way but if I was going to use a test as a kick start I would go with test prop. IMO.
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Were you doing cardio during this cycle? Why do you think there was a decrease in your cardiovascular output?
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I was doing cardio, in fact that was the deciding factor that made me stop. I used to swim 3-4x week and I just could not catch my breath and I felt like I was dying when I was swimming, I must have looked pathetic while I was swimming and I was a beach lifeguard! I think with the massive weight gain, which was likely a lot of water raised my blood pressure and made my heart work much harder to push my blood through constricted vessels. This was my experience and others may have had different experiences but by week 4 I had to stop, I just felt burned out, tired of being winded and injecting constantly and I 've never done test sus again. IMO there are better things out there.
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I personally dont think its worth the pain level, yea i got a little bit stronger--however didnt really hold any more water than on prop..i also inj. 2x per day...
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I'm starting to see more negatives to positives on the Test Suspension. It seems that the pain, frequent injections (and as I just researched) high cost are all elements that make this a poor kickstart. Dbol it is then.
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not worth it, good luck to you
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I'm starting my cycle off right now with test sus. thinking of backing off it though, my blood pressure spiked a little bit which kinda scared me. I've never had high blood pressure through any of my cycles. only got maybe a week till that test e kicks in... so I might just drop the susp
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Sure it can be used to kickstart a traditional cycle. Do you really wanna stick yourself twice a day. I would use prop insted for a few weeks and switch to a longer estered test.
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I haven't tried any form of Test before, so this is why I am investigating each form. With Test Prop, how quickly are the effects rendered? Would it be an effective replacement for Dianabol?
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check out this thread
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=292822
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Ok, I see where you're coming from here. Thanks for the link.
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yes sir
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IMO, test prop is the best kicker for any cycle of mine...I used to start out with the heavy orals(adrols/dbols), but since I kicked a cycle off with prop, I'll never turn back....
Don't get me wrong...some oral steroids have their places in certain stacks, just not in the beginning of any stack of mine.
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Have you noted any change in your liver values by including injectables over the orals as your kickstart? How diligent are you about monitoring this?
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^ My healthcare is free...so I have no reason to NOT get my BW evaluated on a regular basis...and I do.
To be honest with you, I've never ran any oral compound out side of the recommended dosages that have been set to standard by the AAS commmunity...only twice did my liver panel come back with a slightly elevated level, of which returned to normal levels after discontinuation of the cycle.
My doc has seemed to been more concerned over my RBC counts than anything over the last couple draws that I've had done...he is aware of my AAS use and urges me to exercise extreme caution with my usage, which I do.
And he also urges me to be absolutely sure to keep my body well hydrated...as lack of hydration, he says, is usually the first step to adverse effects on core components(organs) of the body...
"Vanity Redefined" ~VET~
personally i would not use suspension over dbol... dbol gives greater gains than test plus u dont have to poke ur self and test is test .. i'd rather jumpstart w/ something that has a lil more Pzazzzz
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Oh, to be sure about hydration. I think that's the #1 overlooked health issue people have is dehydration. Its symptoms can so closely mimic other conditions as to lend credence to false diagnoses. i.e.: "it's the steroids!!! Stop using!!!"Originally Posted by shrpskn
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what about sustanon 350? is this shit real?
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yeah i agree def go with a good oral, that way ur gains will be a whole lot more better and stable than a test suspension. Like i said in another post the only real time that I could see using a test suspension would be before a magazine shoot or before a contest, to me its just too expensive and I don't get enough doses for the money I feel like. MTV had an episode of True Life that dealt with steroid users and 1 guy on there was using test suspension because he was doin a magazne shoot. He said it worked good but it just burned his ass like crazy.
Thats just my opinion on the subject.
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I think I've decided to not experiment with it (for now) and keep with the Dianabol as my kickstart. I MAY in the future try some Test Propionate but one cycle at a time. Maybe next year.
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