confused about what cycle to go with

[rock steady]

hey bros, im gonna be posting on behalf of one of my friends who needs some advice about his next cycle.

stats:

23 yrs old
188lb
6 foot
10% BF
three 15week cycles in his history, but hasnt cycled for 3 years

my boy's looking to bulk up this summer, but wants to maintain his ripped look. hes hesitant to take anything that'll bloat too much, but wants some solid mass gains...he came up with a couple of cycle ideas that he asked me for advice about.

right now he wants to take a 15 wk cycle consisting of

wk 1-15 test prop 500mg/wk
wk 13-15 var 75mg ed
wk 1-15 deca 400mg/wk
wk 1-15 eq 400mg/wk
wk 16-19 nolva/clomid




however, he is currently low on funds and needs to make some cutbacks. if he wants to build solid, lean muscle and maintain a non-bloat appearance, what would you change differently from this cycle?

I have given him my advice, but he wants to hear what others have to say to make him feel more comfortable about it.

[helium3]

id just drop the eq and maybe the var(to save money).the only thing is i dont like test for for lean cycles i gain fat while on test.although it is recommended to keep it in,so its upto him.he should respond really well as he hasnt cycled for a long time so a basic cycle should suit him.

[helium3]

plus with all those compounds that pct aint gonna cut it.id run pct for at least 4-6 weeks after a cycle like that,and its debatable wether clomid will b enough by itself.

[J*U*icEd]

var for 2 weeks isn't going to do anything... so drop that or lower the dose and extend the use of it... you may as well drop the EQ if you cant bump the dose to atleast 600... but too many compounds in my book anyway so drop something... i would also run the test prop 4 or 5 weeks past the deca and EQ... and i would run an AI such as l-dex throughout the cycle if he doesn't wana get bloated... also use nolvadex thru out the cycle including PCT

[J*U*icEd]

you should probably tell him to hold off on the juice and gain alittle bit more weight naturally before starting the cycle... but thats just me!

[hugovsilva]

Why not a test prop/winstrol cicle?

Deca bloats you.
Eq is a weak compound.
Var for 2/3 weeks is a waste.

With the money he saves on the var he can get some winny to run for 6-8 weeks.

[rock steady]

well hes running var for 3 weeks..if you guys noticed i said 13-15 (13,14,15 makes three).

test prop/winny isnt gonna cut it to make the mass gains my boy is lookin for. he wants to get up to at least 210 by the end of the cycle...

in my book, it comes down to whether he goes with the EQ or the DECA to reach his goals. Will he need to run nolva throughout the whole cycle if hes running eq/prop/var opposed to deca/prop/var? So if I can cut his budgeting down to eq, prop, var, and PCT..............


oh and helium, did you say that clomid and nolva isnt going to cut it? because thats what was planned on being taken, or do you think only clomid was gonna be taken?

[J*U*icEd]

well hes running var for 3 weeks..if you guys noticed i said 13-15 (13,14,15 makes three).

test prop/winny isnt gonna cut it to make the mass gains my boy is lookin for. he wants to get up to at least 210 by the end of the cycle...

in my book, it comes down to whether he goes with the EQ or the DECA to reach his goals. Will he need to run nolva throughout the whole cycle if hes running eq/prop/var opposed to deca/prop/var? So if I can cut his budgeting down to eq, prop, var, and PCT..............


oh and helium, did you say that clomid and nolva isnt going to cut it? because thats what was planned on being taken, or do you think only clomid was gonna be taken?

why wouldn't he need to run nolva if hes running deca/prop/var?.... and var for 3 weeks isn't going to do what he wants...

[rock steady]

why wouldn't he need to run nolva if hes running deca/prop/var?.... and var for 3 weeks isn't going to do what he wants...

we're trying to cut costs as much as possible and as responsibly as possible at the same time. i understand nolva needs to be run through the cycle, but how far into it. Is it REALLY necessary to start taking nolva from the getgo?

ALSO

20 days of var @ 75mg a day...will that be more effective then taking 60mg a day @ 25 days? He only has 100 15mg pills of var to work with...

[fLgAtOr]

Drop the Var. Stop trying to cut corners...at that dose for that time period it will be a waste.

Drop the EQ.

Test 1-15
Deca 1-14
Letro 1-17

PCT:
Aromasin
HCG
Nolva


The test and deca will be the most effective for mass gain, and the letro will keep as much water off as he can handle. You're running a 19-nor for 15 wks, so you need a real PCT...IMO, HCG is cheap, effective and a critical part of your "recovery".

[rock steady]

like i said, this isnt for my cycle. im posting for a friend and trying to give him a hand.

what would be the ideal length for var and at what mg. keep in mind the weight and bf of my boy.

[fLgAtOr]

like i said, this isnt for my cycle. im posting for a friend and trying to give him a hand.

what would be the ideal length for var and at what mg. keep in mind the weight and bf of my boy.

Regardless...the advice stays the same.

IMO, 50-60mg ED for 6 weeks.

But honestly, if he spends the time on his diet and keeps up the cardio, he should have no problem staying lean.

[rock steady]

would it be smart for him to run the prop at week 1 of the cycle?? wouldnt you want to run the deca for 3-4 weeks first?

also, noob question......can aromasin be substituted for arimedex?

and how many IU weekly should HCG be dosed at?

[rock steady]

bump

[rock steady]

bummmmmmppppppppp

[helium3]

also you may gain nitrogen/water with deca but all gains are lean once you come off,dispite what others say.main reason is it dont aromatise much.

[helium3]

p.s you have your answers,its time to act.

[rock steady]

wk 1-14 400mg deca/wk
wk 1-15 Test E 500mg/wk
wk 3-18 letro

[gigem]

i agree with flgAtOr

[fLgAtOr]

would it be smart for him to run the prop at week 1 of the cycle?? wouldnt you want to run the deca for 3-4 weeks first?

also, noob question......can aromasin be substituted for arimedex?

and how many IU weekly should HCG be dosed at?

Start all three at the same time...Test, Deca, and Letro.

Aromasin can be substituted if you like.

Do a search for HCG. I ran 500 i.u. ED for 10 days...But that might not be appropriate for your boy. Hence why you need to search around.

[rock steady]

good info guys

[danamial]

well hes running var for 3 weeks..if you guys noticed i said 13-15 (13,14,15 makes three).

test prop/winny isnt gonna cut it to make the mass gains my boy is lookin for. he wants to get up to at least 210 by the end of the cycle...
in my book, it comes down to whether he goes with the EQ or the DECA to reach his goals. Will he need to run nolva throughout the whole cycle if hes running eq/prop/var opposed to deca/prop/var? So if I can cut his budgeting down to eq, prop, var, and PCT..............


oh and helium, did you say that clomid and nolva isnt going to cut it? because thats what was planned on being taken, or do you think only clomid was gonna be taken?

I don't think he is going to gain 30 lbs on this cycle! Gaining that kind of weight will be alot of water. He would need lots of test,tren, and most likely d-bol, so you would look round not ripped. You are asking a lot from a single cycle.

[aadrenaline]

why 15 weeks? here this will be enough

wk1-8 prop 75-125mg ED
wk1-8 trenace 50-75mg ED
wk1-8 winny 50-75mg ED

he'll keep is hard look and gain lean body mass and its relativley cheap

[fabry]

why 15 weeks? here this will be enough

wk1-8 prop 75-125mg ED
wk1-8 trenace 50-75mg ED
wk1-8 winny 50-75mg ED

he'll keep is hard look and gain lean body mass and its relativley cheap

me too.. why 15 wks..

and maybe this:

wk1-10 prop 70-80mg ED
wk1-8 tren ace 60-75mg ED
wk 1-10 var 40-60mg ed or (if you wanna make it cheaper)
wk 5-10 winny 75mg ED