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Well before I do my test-e cycle I'm doing a dnp cycle so I have less fat to take off PCT. I am curious if it would be smart to cycle dnp, like one day on, one day off. I am afraid it is going to affect my lifts in the gym. I have t- and t-4 but don't really want to mess with my thyroid before a ASS cycle. What are everyones opinions?
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Interesting questions.Originally Posted by vein5
Running DNP in the proposed manner is self defeating. Such protocol will still permit its negative (poisonous) accumulation only at a slower rate. In other words one day off want cleanse your system. Furthermore, you'll miss out on the desirable effects which are gained though consistency.
You shouldn't be running any thyroid hormones off cycle. Gear provides the muscle preservation that makes the T's worthwhile, else you're losing hard earned muscle along with the fat.
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Ok, Well I'm on day 2 of 400mg and I am warm but my endurance at running went way down. I also became very angry and short tempered. Would taking NO shotgun help keep the lifts up. I don't know how to combat this drained feeling i have.
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you can run it eod, I've seen a study somewhere where thats exactly what they did.
I believe they took the doses 36 hours apart rather than 48 though...since it has an approximate 36 hour halflife
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Wow, the dnp really kicked in today, Doing light cardio I was drenched in sweat. Geeze and it's going to get into the 80's next week, uh oh
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It wouldn't be self defeating. It's the active level of DNP that determines the rate of uncoupling and the increase in metabolism. Even a single dose will increase metabolic rate. I'm not sure what you mean by "negative (poisonous) accumulation." With EOD dosing, you can avoid the accumulation of the drug that occurs with ED dosing at the same dose. The most common protocol is to take the same dose for at least 4-5 days, every day, increasing it only after it's accumulated to a relatively stable level.
However, there's nothing to be gained from going off. DNP is not like clen where there's a receptor that downregulates. You don't need to take time off to keep it working. I'd just stick to a common ED approach, starting with a low dosage and keeping it low.
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It is a class of synthetic organic chemicals, the commercial version of which is primarily used for making dyes, other organic chemicals, and wood preservatives. Other versions are used to make photographic developer, explosives, and insect control substances.
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Last edited by magic32; 05-08-2007 at 12:43 PM.
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Well, it looks like you're a little too late, lol. DNP has been called a "drug" in the original research, by the American Medical Association, by the FDA, by doctors, by newspapers, by the EPA, by courts, by modern scholars, by the U.S. ***artment of Health and Human Services, and by others, I'm sure. It's a drug. It has a marked physiological effect.
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back to the question. in the past ive taken 200mg for the first 2 or 3 days to get my levels up, then i went eod. with this aproach i still lost fat and my lifts did lag but not as bad as when i do 200mg ed. i ran this for 1mon. and lost about 12lbs. hope this helps
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also i dont think taking 25mcg of T3 would kill ur muscle at that dose. OK, lets say that DNP doesnt affect T3 production. so if u took T3 at 25mcg would it make that much of a difference? i guess u could go either way but im sticking to my T3 will on DNP
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Firstly, I stand corrected, offer my apologies, and I’ve edited the above post.
Technically you're right, because for all intents and purposes DNP is used and can on a very ethereal level be considered a drug.
However, I am more right (the only real way the phrase this) because it is actually a poison, that is being applied as a drug.
Maybe you don't now this but your "marked physiological effects" are also characteristic of poisons. It's the way one knows he's been poisoned.
So, although one of DNP’s properties can be applied as a fat loss drug, it is still very much a poison. Those "marked physiological effects" are the body’s overt reactions and counter-responses to DNP poisoning as any professional literature will attest. BB'ers simply control the level of exposure (dosing and timing) in order to harness this single highly desired side effect of minimal poisoning, namely the uncoupling effect.
It's quite similar to the chlorine in drinking water, the rattlesnake venom in a pet’s flea and tick medications, or the Chemotherapy quote unquote drugs in hospitals, all of which are severely controlled poisons adapted for their beneficial attributes.
Similarly, a baseball bat can be applied as a weapon (no one’s going to arrest a batter in a game for having one), a dollar bill an airplane (I'm still spending it), a synthetic estrogen an anti-estrogen in men (no one can claim it’s actually the latter, it just works that way in different environment), and a magazine though applied to level a table leg, in which case it can be ‘called’ a wedge, is no less...a magazine, preferably Flex.
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that. "Technically, I'm right on an 'ethereal level' LOL, but you're 'more right' since DNP is a metabolic poison."
No, you're completely wrong. DNP, when used to increase metabolic rate, is a drug, plain and simple.
Last edited by Conciliator; 05-08-2007 at 07:07 PM.
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Well, drug or not. It's an amazing thing
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your workouts will suffer while on DNP and you cant expect to push yourself nearly as hard while taking it. Youre pretty much gonna feel like crap most of the time while on it. Drinks lots of water, consume lots of good antioxidants, and keep workouts less intense. After about 30 minutes of so of working out on DNP, I am spent!! Dont push yourself
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Is there some kinda time span you HAVE to lose this weight by? Have you ever cut naturally, like down to 10-11%?
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Food for though:
From: McDonald, Janet B
To: [email protected]
Date: 8/14/01 8:23AM
Subject: DSSC NY State Health Commissioner Issues Warning (Products containing Dinitrophenols)
STATE HEALTH COMMISSIONER WARNS OF DANGERS OF WEIGHT LOSS PRODUCT
DEADLY DINITROPHENOLS AVAILABLE THROUGH INTERNET SALES
ALBANY, NY, August 10, 2001-- State Health Commissioner Antonia C. Novello today warned against the use of products containing Dinitrophenols or DNP as a supplement for weight loss. The warning results from a report to the ***artment's Pesticide Poisoning Registry on the recent death of a Long Island resident who had reportedly used DNP for four days.
The young man's death was reported to the State Health ***artment by the Long Island Poison Control Center, which indicated that the individual apparently ingested 600 milligrams of DNP a day for four days.
DNP is an agricultural pesticide (a herbicide) but is not registered for use in New York State. According to the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, it was sold in the 1930's in diet pills but was banned in 1938 because of severe health effects. Dinitrophenols are toxic to the liver, kidney and nervous system. The chemical causes hyperthermia (increased body temperature), dehydration, tachycardia (rapid heartbeat), restlessness and manic behavior and convulsions which typically signify an immediate lift-threatening intoxication. There are anecdotal reports of other deaths from DNP as a weight loss supplement.
Although DNP use in diet pills was banned in 1938, it is currently being marketed and used by body builders, and is also advertised and marketed on the Internet. The extent of its use is unknown at this time.
The State Health ***artment has contacted the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to explore ways to warn consumers about the dangers of DNP, to identify product names under which it is being sold and to dissuade its further use. The warning also will be sent to DNP web sites identified by the ***artment, body builder web sites and body builder magazines.
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This comes from the same people who will tell you pot can kill you...
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