1st Cycle Eq, Test E, Primo

[Rogue]

I picked this first cycle after a lot of reading. My goal was to have the least amount of side effects possible. I wanted safety over massive muscle growth. I didn’t want the bloated look or water retention.

I’ll list what I learned from this for other first timers starting out.

The products I'm using are from ** (sorry had to take the name out) ** labs. A guy I know had a way to contact them. I can’t compare to any other gear since this is my first time, but what I’ve read from the message boards it seems to be good.

1st week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (right ass cheek)
1st week – Wednesday 200 mg primobolon 2ml (left ass cheek)

Mistakes made – did something wrong with injection as both my ass cheeks were sore as hell for about 3 days. Could hardly sit, move…etc!

Changes after initial research:
1) Trying shoulder instead
2) Changing needle to new needle from draw needle

2nd week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (right shoulder)
2nd week – Wednesday 200mg primo 2ml (left shoulder)

Mistakes made – sex drive has tanked. Must add in a testosterone to offset suppression of both eq and primo. Having contact get it for me - will take a week to get.

Changes to be made:
1) Test Enanthate 250mg per week

3rd week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
3rd week – Tuesday 250 mg enanthate 1ml (right shoulder)
3rd week – Wednesday 200mg primo 2ml (right ass cheek)

Mistakes made – I will NEVER do my ass cheek again! Holy shit – this is freaking ridiculous!

Changes to be made:
1) Shoulders only!

4th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
4th week – Tuesday 250 mg enanthate 1ml (right shoulder)
4th week – Wednesday 200mg primo 2ml (left shoulder)

Size gains are starting to appear and I can notice that I’m getting leaner. Sex drive has returned. Between week two and three I noticed old injuries started to go away. There is no joint soreness and strength continues to increase slightly.

5th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
5th week – Tuesday 250 mg enanthate 1ml (right shoulder)
5th week – Wednesday 200mg primo 2ml (left quad)

Mistakes made – I read where you can inject into the quad so I thought I’d give that a try and see what happened. Oh for the love of God, my left quad is having terrible issues. The pain from trying to bend my leg is stupid! I’m done trying anything but the shoulder, there is no pain at all in the shoulder – hell I don’t even feel it.

However, as a side note a friend of mine tried his shoulder and had horrible results (shoulder went numb) so I’m guessing it is different for everyone.

This is where I’m at currently. I plan to go for 12 weeks and then start my PCT, but I’ll keep adding to my thread with updates. Any advice is always welcome. I’ve noticed no negative side effects at all, but then I'm using 1/2 of the recommend dosages that are considered safe from the profiles section.

[skank]

How can you say you have done alot of reading when you intended to do this cycle with no test? On your first run, the test is all you should be doing. Hope your cycle works out for you, good luck.

[Rogue]

Yes - I made a mistake. I already have the PCT. I decided to purchase both the Clomid and Nolvadex because I don't have access to Aromasin. I also have the HCG and was planning on following Pinnacles PCT plan as close as possible with what I could get. I appreciate that you took the time to respond.

[Dangerdan]

You dont have to run test your first cycle, although it is probably the best option. As a general rule, anyone who says "You have to run test!" probably doesn't know what they are talking about and just repeats what they read on here.

Good log so far. I like the mistakes made section. I would give the quads another try. My frist few quad shots hurt like a bitch but now its the only place I shoot.

[skank]

Dangerdan, what do you feel is a good first cycle? Do you think stacking is ok for the first time. So you are more experienced then me, maybe you know something I don't. You agree that Test is probably the best option but then say I don't know what I am talking about.

Rogue, sorry, didn't mean to be an ass. Just caught me by surprise thats all. Good Luck with your cycle. You can start a new thread so you don't have to read my insults. Glad you are hooked up with your pct.

[Rogue]

Week 6 Update

Danger - I don't know about trying the leg again. After that last go around I'm not looking to experience that again anytime soon.

Skank - I appreciate the advice. I made the mistakes and should be flamed. I'll keep the thread.

6th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
6th week – Tuesday 250 mg enanthate 1ml (right shoulder)
6th week – Wednesday 200mg primo 2ml (left shoulder)

Mistakes made – Something went wrong on Wednesday. After extracting the needle a little of the oil leaked out. I’ve never had that happen before. I’ve always followed the same pattern so I don’t know what I did wrong if anything. I’m hoping this is a one time mistake only.

Changes made – On Monday 6th week I wanted to take a slight precaution against any estrogen that might be lurking around. I added one capsule of Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutrition per day. The real Novedex / Clomid is for the PCT or if complications do occur.

[Rogue]

Week 7 log update

7th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
7th week – Tuesday 250 mg enanthate 1ml (right shoulder)
7th week – Wednesday 100mg primo 1ml (left shoulder)

Mistakes made – Believe it or not no mistakes were made this week.

Changes made – On Wednesday 7th week I dropped down to 1ml of primo. I seem to feel sluggish (not 100%) with it, but I can’t find anything in documentation on this. Anyone ever noticed this when using Primo? I won't be using Primo in any future cycles.

[perfectbeast2001]

I would be suprised if you get any feelings at all dosing primo and EQ that low, the only worthwhile compound at the low doses you are running is the Test IMO. Bad first cycle. I would drop the EQ and primo at the useless doses and bump the test to 500mg EW. Also order some aromasin from ARR (top right banner) and run a decent PCT, nolva + clomid is really not good. Aromasin and nolva =

[Rogue]

Perfect,

I bumped up the Test a bit to see what happens - nothing drastic and below what you recommended. I'm simply seeing how my body is handling this. I looked at the Aromasin you suggested and since you have to order with a credit card that won't be happening.

What else would you suggest with Nolva & HCG that I can do with cash only?

8th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
8th week – Tuesday 250 mg enanthate 1ml (right shoulder)

Mistakes made – No mistakes were made this week.

Changes made – On Tuesday 8th week I dropped the primo

9th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
9th week – Tuesday 375 mg enanthate 1.5ml (right shoulder)

Mistakes made – No mistakes were made this week.

Changes made – I increased the Test E to 375 mg for the week. I wanted to see how my body would handle it since this whole cycle has been an experiment to see how my body reacts to all this. On my second cycle I will be doing 500 mg per week since I’ve had zero reactions to anything so far.

10th week – Monday 300mg equipoise 1ml (left shoulder)
10th week – Tuesday 375 mg enanthate 1.5ml (right shoulder)

Mistakes made – No mistakes were made this week.

Changes made – I have two weeks left then I start my PCT. One question I have is I’m thinking of using 10mg per day of D-Bol as a bridge per the main page. Anyone tried this or have a suggestion?

[millionairemurph]

I like the mistakes made section. From what i have read it is safest to follow time on/ time off. 10 weeks on 10 weeks off after pct i think. Have you just not gotten any gains is why you are thinking of doind another cycle right away?

[king6]

Week 6 Update Changes made – On Monday 6th week I wanted to take a slight precaution against any estrogen that might be lurking around. I added one capsule of Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutrition per day. The real Novedex / Clomid is for the PCT or if complications do occur.

If you are worried about estrogen sides during a cycle, I don't know why you are running Novedex XT. That stuff is worthless, it does nothing for estrogen, it is just a test booster, like tribulus. If you want real protection, run armidex, or letro. Letro is a bit overkill so I think armidex would be better. In the future I would spend some more time on research.

[Rogue]

Hey King,

Thanks for the input on the Novedex XT. I had read where it says "Novedex XT has been shown to help significantly increase natural testosterone production and minimize the production of any an all estrogens in the body".

I will use the armidex when I do my second cycle as I can get that.

Here is my two week update.

11th week – Monday 450mg equipoise 1.5ml (left shoulder)
11th week – Tuesday 375 mg enanthate 1.5ml (right shoulder)

Mistakes made – For some reason oil leaked out. Not sure what I did wrong. I take quite a bit of time removing the needle to let it seal up.

Changes made – Since I only have two weeks left I wanted to see how my body would react to 450mg of Equipoise. I increased the dosage. I’m leaving Enanthate at 375 for another week to see how things feel.

12th week – Monday 450mg equipoise 1.5ml (left shoulder)
12th week – Tuesday 500 mg enanthate 2.0ml (right shoulder)

Mistakes made – I had my gf do the right shoulder and it’s sore. Not sure if it is from the increase or something else went wrong - haven't had this problem in quite a while, but it went away in a day or so.

Changes made – I had to try 500 and see how things were going to workout. I didn’t notice any sides and I’m typing this on Friday. On my second cycle I’ll be at 500 for sure since I’ve not had any noticeable sides. I'll also be following Kings advice.

I do need to start my PCT this coming week for 5 weeks and I do have a few questions. The HCG is in very tiny glass bottles and that is supposed to be 2000 IU. How much of the bacteriostatic water do I mix into those 2000 IU containers?

My second question is per the PCT program I’m supposed to take 500 IU per week – how do you measure it out?

Third question I would like to make sure I’m doing this right – it should be injected like HGH in the fat of the stomach for example not intramuscular. How do I determine how much 500 IU is and should I do 250 on Monday and 250 on Thursday or just 500 at once?

As always I appreciate the advice / suggestions guys.

[Rogue]

Hey Murp,

Thanks for the comment.

My dosages were very low because I wanted to make sure I didn't have some whacked out response to anything - I proceeded on the side of caution. Being my first cycle and believe me this has been one hell of a learning experience.

What gains I may have made would be minimal so I've considered making sure everything is working again and after my PCT going forward with a real dosage cycle.

I was either thinking of two choices, but I'm not sure on which way to go - any advice would be welcome. Either HGH (2IU every other day) and Test E 500mg week

Or Equipoise at 600mg week, Test E at 500mg week and start the cycle off with D-Bol.

I had a friend do the HGH / Test and it was quite the shock to see the changes.

[Ajc330]

i like your log it is very helpful, i am sure a lot of people like this, thank you Rogue for taking the time out of your busy life to help us out, i have no cycle experience and don't plan on having any for quite sometime so i can't help ya buddy best of luck to ya